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Hey, Don't We Have The Blueprint For This Sort Of Thing?

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While not exactly the same, I see some similarities in last year's slow start and this year's. Mularkey is in the booth and probably should be on the field, just like Linehan last year. Linehan was out of rhythm with the offensive playcalling up in the booth and then he moved onto the field and found his rhythm. While I don't like Mularkey and neither do you, leave that out of this. Can the same move help Mularkey improve? At all?

Should we move Mciontosh to LT? He seemed to play better last year than Shelton is this year.

I'm not sure what else turned our season around last year, but we have the opportunity to do it this year before we're 3-7.
 
If puuling Linehan down really made that big of a difference Saban needs to do that ASAP. Also, if Shelton is as big a liability as he seems to be moving DMAC, who is at least average, to LT is a good idea. We still need an RG and I don't believe in lots of juggling along the O-LINE. We really need to find our best five and stick with them very quickly.
 
Mr. Reality said:
If puuling Linehan down really made that big of a difference Saban needs to do that ASAP. Also, if Shelton is as big a liability as he seems to be moving DMAC, who is at least average, to LT is a good idea. We still need an RG and I don't believe in lots of juggling along the O-LINE. We really need to find our best five and stick with them very quickly.


Yea I agree, I don't want to mix with the chemistry a lot either. But it seems that the better LT is already on the roster.
 
I think Saban should come out and say he doesn't care about the score of the games like he did last year before we won 6 in a row...13-3 baby!
 
In a PR Saban said he brought Linehan down from the booth so that the players would benifit from his leadership skills. Saban said he would bring Mularkey down if it was the right thing. Whatever falls into that equation... I dunno, but i'm sure it has something to do with leadership skills. Saban won't do it just because it worked last year, it has to make sense for him.

But I can see the benifit of bringing the coach down from there. Your alot more detached from the game when your up there. Your in this AC room, comfortable seating, and in a way they feel elite or have a sense of a God complex.(if you believe God is detached from the world). I feel that when the coach is up there, he's detached from the game mentally.
 
HaRdKoReXXX said:
I think Saban should come out and say he doesn't care about the score of the games like he did last year before we won 6 in a row...13-3 baby!

It would be the right thing if he does...

And it should be that way. Saban stated it last year and was spot on. Thats how I have always viewed any sports teams I root for, played on, coached, or what my own children play. Granted, I was blessed to be part of teams that learned quickly and won more often then we lost. Plus, being captain meant I could crack heads and teach them the right way, or find others that could replace them.

However, learning to win correctly breeds dynasties (GB, MIA, PIT, DAL, 49ers, NE). Forgetting how to win correctly, can also lead to long years without (GB, MIA, PIT, DAL, 49ers, NE) funny that its the same franchises. Fans should understand that, but often dont. Its the people within an organization that breed championships thru longevity. Eventually those folks leave, new personnel come in, old lessions are lost, new ones are taught, remembering how to win through proper execution of the task at hand at that single moment in time has to be retaught.

Therefore, I breakdown execution and not simply the results. Wins are secondary to fundamentals and the proper way to play the game. Its secondary to the actual play call that failed, any critiquing should be on what caused it to fail and not simply the result or bemoaning the call itself. The call itself is not the reason it failed, it may lower the chances for success, but thats it.

I will say, this concept is what leads many Fans to "emotional" and often "irrational" mindsets. Most Fans only view the objective as win vs. loss. Its what brings out the uglyness of Finheaven more often than not....thats only because its a Fan's site.

Thats why bandwagons get so large.....few enjoy the art of creating a winning franchise. They bemoan the loss as if its the key indicator, and only when its winning do they praise the players and coaches. But they miss and therefore never appreciate that its how you learn to win that matters...not the result of winning in and of itself. These are many times the same personnel they trashed when the L's were going up on the tote board as they were learning to win correctly. They suddenly become defenders of the players as the greatest ever, when it seems just a few moments ago they were the dreggs of the team and possibly the league.

Nah, I will take Saban's (Lombardi's, Shula's, Noll's, Landy's, Walsh's, Belichick's) mindset anyday of the week. Those are few and far between and when you get one you hold on for all its worth to see the finished product. Then you open up the bandwagon and let the others that "only were willing to come back if so-and-so franchise ever got its act together" jon in...the more the merrier.
 
OUR BEST FIVE WOULD BE BACK UPS ON MOST TEAMS
NJPHIN34 said:
Yea I agree, I don't want to mix with the chemistry a lot either. But it seems that the better LT is already on the roster.
 
NJPHIN34 said:
While not exactly the same, I see some similarities in last year's slow start and this year's. Mularkey is in the booth and probably should be on the field, just like Linehan last year. Linehan was out of rhythm with the offensive playcalling up in the booth and then he moved onto the field and found his rhythm. While I don't like Mularkey and neither do you, leave that out of this. Can the same move help Mularkey improve? At all?

Should we move Mciontosh to LT? He seemed to play better last year than Shelton is this year.

I'm not sure what else turned our season around last year, but we have the opportunity to do it this year before we're 3-7.

There are few to none when it comes to similarities. The expectations on the season are completely different. The talk from coaches down to players during the offseason about this season was completely different. We've got a terrible playcaller. An offensive line which was been reshuffled leading to a massive regression. Dare I go on?

Time to relinquish the high expectations people.
 
BigDogsHunt said:
It would be the right thing if he does...

And it should be that way. Saban stated it last year and was spot on. Thats how I have always viewed any sports teams I root for, played on, coached, or what my own children play. Granted, I was blessed to be part of teams that learned quickly and won more often then we lost. Plus, being captain meant I could crack heads and teach them the right way, or find others that could replace them.

However, learning to win correctly breeds dynasties (GB, MIA, PIT, DAL, 49ers, NE). Forgetting how to win correctly, can also lead to long years without (GB, MIA, PIT, DAL, 49ers, NE) funny that its the same franchises. Fans should understand that, but often dont. Its the people within an organization that breed championships thru longevity. Eventually those folks leave, new personnel come in, old lessions are lost, new ones are taught, remembering how to win through proper execution of the task at hand at that single moment in time has to be retaught.

Therefore, I breakdown execution and not simply the results. Wins are secondary to fundamentals and the proper way to play the game. Its secondary to the actual play call that failed, any critiquing should be on what caused it to fail and not simply the result or bemoaning the call itself. The call itself is not the reason it failed, it may lower the chances for success, but thats it.

I will say, this concept is what leads many Fans to "emotional" and often "irrational" mindsets. Most Fans only view the objective as win vs. loss. Its what brings out the uglyness of Finheaven more often than not....thats only because its a Fan's site.

Thats why bandwagons get so large.....few enjoy the art of creating a winning franchise. They bemoan the loss as if its the key indicator, and only when its winning do they praise the players and coaches. But they miss and therefore never appreciate that its how you learn to win that matters...not the result of winning in and of itself. These are many times the same personnel they trashed when the L's were going up on the tote board as they were learning to win correctly. They suddenly become defenders of the players as the greatest ever, when it seems just a few moments ago they were the dreggs of the team and possibly the league.

Nah, I will take Saban's (Lombardi's, Shula's, Noll's, Landy's, Walsh's, Belichick's) mindset anyday of the week. Those are few and far between and when you get one you hold on for all its worth to see the finished product. Then you open up the bandwagon and let the others that "only were willing to come back if so-and-so franchise ever got its act together" jon in...the more the merrier.

I agree that this is what Saban is trying to do and I agree that its the right approach. Where I have serious questions regarding Saban is in the fact he's not bringing in the players to build a dynasty. The 2006 offseason is looking like its going to go down as one of the worst in Dolphins history. Not one offensive lineman was brought in that can do anything. No recweiver was added. Hagan will be out of the league in five years at the most. Daunte is a question mark at best. Harrington might end up being the only one who can salvage any claim to addition of offense for 2006. On defense we redid our secondary and nothing else. Maybe Jason Allen will do something but as of now Will Allen is the only one who looks like he added something to the defense.

You do not build dynasties by adding one or two people per year
 
adamprez2003 said:
I agree that this is what Saban is trying to do and I agree that its the right approach. Where I have serious questions regarding Saban is in the fact he's not bringing in the players to build a dynasty. The 2006 offseason is looking like its going to go down as one of the worst in Dolphins history. Not one offensive lineman was brought in that can do anything. No recweiver was added. Hagan will be out of the league in five years at the most. Daunte is a question mark at best. Harrington might end up being the only one who can salvage any claim to addition of offense for 2006. On defense we redid our secondary and nothing else. Maybe Jason Allen will do something but as of now Will Allen is the only one who looks like he added something to the defense.

You do not build dynasties by adding one or two people per year

Is Hagan even playing? lol
 
While not exactly the same, I see some similarities in last year's slow start and this year's. Mularkey is in the booth and probably should be on the field, just like Linehan last year

NJFIN34: i was wondering when someone else was going to
notice that!!

i have NEVER like the o-coach up in the booth. it just takes
to long to communicate properly and you cant read the pulse
or the flow of your players and hear different points of view
as you can when your on the side line WITH the players!

saban needs to bring mularky's butt down to the game where
he belongs and face up to his mess!
 
adamprez2003 said:
I agree that this is what Saban is trying to do and I agree that its the right approach. Where I have serious questions regarding Saban is in the fact he's not bringing in the players to build a dynasty. The 2006 offseason is looking like its going to go down as one of the worst in Dolphins history. Not one offensive lineman was brought in that can do anything. No recweiver was added. Hagan will be out of the league in five years at the most. Daunte is a question mark at best. Harrington might end up being the only one who can salvage any claim to addition of offense for 2006. On defense we redid our secondary and nothing else. Maybe Jason Allen will do something but as of now Will Allen is the only one who looks like he added something to the defense.

You do not build dynasties by adding one or two people per year

But you're reaching a premature conclusion based on perception and speculation. Its not reality. Even our 1-3 record, while clearly real, isnt the proper measuring stick to future reality.

So take it to heart that while you perceive 2006 offseason to be a negative, and you list several players you perceive to be a dissapointment (career dissapointments no less for some) its clearly not reality.

Let the process run its course. Make a concious effort not to judge a given player or this team or franchise strictly on wins or losses but rather breakdown the film to see what individuals are starting to make more positive plays then negative, are starting to execute their individual assignment and not the result of the play itself. As more and more individuals swing the scales toward positive execution the results on the scoreboard will take care of itself.

Does Saban need to continue to add pieces absolutely. Is it as many as you imply we are missing? Not sure. But its enough to make a difference to satisfy fans into believing the pieces exist (which incorrectly is wins vs. losses) so that he can continue to add to even those pieces until its truely a championship claiber team....then if he can continue to add it becomes a dynasty.
 
adamprez2003 said:
I agree that this is what Saban is trying to do and I agree that its the right approach. Where I have serious questions regarding Saban is in the fact he's not bringing in the players to build a dynasty. The 2006 offseason is looking like its going to go down as one of the worst in Dolphins history. Not one offensive lineman was brought in that can do anything. No recweiver was added. Hagan will be out of the league in five years at the most. Daunte is a question mark at best. Harrington might end up being the only one who can salvage any claim to addition of offense for 2006. On defense we redid our secondary and nothing else. Maybe Jason Allen will do something but as of now Will Allen is the only one who looks like he added something to the defense.

You do not build dynasties by adding one or two people per year

The problem is that there is this little thing called the salary cap. We didn't have that much room this year to sign players. We are in pretty bad cap trouble every year. We have some young DT that are in the mix that should be pretty good, I think Roth has come out looking much better this year than last, the secondary is pretty young and needs time to gel just like the O-Line needs time to gel.

I'm not sure that the troubles that we are seeing this year is so much talent but exicution. I think we have some talented players, but the exicution just hasn't been there so far. When this team does click though I think its going to be run to watch.
 
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