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I wouldn't call him a better passer than Cam Newton.
Hiring McCoy would equal RG3?
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I wouldn't call him a better passer than Cam Newton.
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Moore played DAMN GOOD for us,considering what he was asked to do.I hope he sticks with us,no matter what role it's in.And I'll support our 'Boys..........."NO MATTER WHAT"!!!
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I won't pretend as if Kendall Wright isn't good, but if you think that RG threw for 4,000+ yards because of Kendall Wright or Terrance Williams I don't know what to tell you. I'm not attacking you or your knowledge of college football, but the statement of him being "helped by his supporting cast" makes me question how much you've seen them play.
For starters RG is not some athlete "playing QB". Kendall Wright is no Justin Blackmon (i.e. A dominant receiving force). From what I've seen, RG's accuracy is the reason he had over 1,600 receiving yards this season. This is the same Kendall Wright who, as a Junior caught less than 1,000 yards. Funny how the growth of RG this year seems to correlate to the spike of Wright's production. Also, the threat of RG running the ball, his unreal downfield accuracy and his arm strength opens up the field for the option. This is why Terrance Ganaway rushed for 1,500 yds. Let's not pretend Ganaway is some stud RB. He didn't even start last year as a JR. If you want the real product of a system, it's him IMO.
I'm not part of the RGIII fan club, but I don't see why people are not giving this guy his credit. He's smart, athletic, and very accurate. We could debate the gaudy stats ad naseum, but those three attributes, you can not teach; You either have it or you don't.
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Well, I'm glad to see that we have a few people on these boards that know what they are talking about. As for everyone saying that RG3 is a system QB, I can't help but chuckle. If he had so many questions, then why is he regarded as the #2 pick in the draft? Why are a few scouts even saying they would take him over Luck?
What about Aaron Rodgers, Drew Brees, and Tom Brady? Don't they run similar offenses as Baylor? So, would you say that we shouldn't take one of those 3?
What about Aaron Rodgers, Drew Brees, and Tom Brady? Don't they run similar offenses as Baylor? So, would you say that we shouldn't take one of those 3?
What questions does RGIII have? He has the strongest arm in the draft, he is very accurate and smart, and he can scramble. But you don't want to get him because he doesn't maximize his height...A QB doesn't maximize his height. I can guarantee you he reads the field better than any QB in the draft besides Luck. And It's annoying when people say since he didn't face any talent we shoudn't draft him, Andrew Luck played in the Pac-12, a terrible conference where only Oregon and Stanford are any good, and when Luck faced the top defenses in College he was known to struggle.
People like Drew Brees, Philip Rivers, Aaron Rodgers, and Matt Ryan played bad teams in college and have had great careers, just because they had played in easy conferences doesn't mean they wiill be terrible. Vince Young played in a conference with great teams when he was in college and has just turned into a complete bust. And if anybody was helped by tremendous players it was Luck, he had the best OL in all of college and why does Wright make RGIII look good? Why couldn't it be that RGIII makes Wright look good? RGIII has as much potential as Tannehill or Weeden and is a safer pick than paying a ton of money for Flynn, who is more unproven than RGIII!
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As a college quarterback and person, I truly do respect RGIII. It's his issues that he'll have to fix in the NFL that makes me say he's not worth trading up to select him. His mechanics need work, his drop back isn't as smooth as you'd like. He played against some horrible defenses. He doesn't maximize his height, especially on play actions. I haven't seen him do much in terms of fully reading progressions. And yes, I've seen Wright bail RG3 out plenty of times and plenty of yards that came from Wright being Wright and racking up the YAC. Can he be good? Of course. He's a smart kid. Would I trade multiple picks including next year's first (in a draft that is loaded with potential for killer quarterbacks)? No I won't. In order to get RG3, it will take a lot to move up.
As a passer, he's far less polished than Cam Newton was at this point last year.
He has work to do that does not warrant Miami moving up at a high cost to select him.
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How is Matt Flynn more unproven than RG3? I could've sworn Matt Flynn has been in the NFL, learning from NFL coaches, from one of the best quarterbacks in the game and has actually seen an NFL game.
Look, a lot of people will disagree with me about RG3, but you will see some that agree with me.
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Exactly. I wasn't aware that Kendall Wright was throwing those balls, that were thrown 40 yards, to the corner of the endzone, right in his hands
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As far as Mechanics, you can say that about practically every QB coming out of college. I'm fascinated by Andrew Luck's mechanics at this stage of his development, but that's why they're saying he's the most polished prospect to come out in 30 years. I'll agree that he doesn't use his height as well as he could on play action, but remember, he's running the option, it's not like he's running a typical pro-style offense play action fake. But even in the NFL, lackadaisical effort on play action is the norm; I can only think of maybe 3 or 4 who execute it to perfection. However, as far as his height in the pocket, he stands very tall. He actually reminds me of Vince Young (6'5) when he stands in the pocket, except without the weird quarter release.
Wright may have bailed him out on occassion, but what receivers don't bail their QBs out from time to time? I surely don't see Wright complaining when he gets a ball in stride, delievered 40 yards on a rope. Let's face it, Robert Griffin IS the reason that Wright will probably be a first day pick in this year's draft. I mean, the guy had over 100 receptions and had over a 15 yd/catch avg! He better buy Griffin a car when he signs his contract.
Because RGIII has actually shown he can dominate in a game and obviously has a lot more potential since he will go no.2 overall in the draft. I could've also sworn David Carr was in the NFL, so I guess he's better than Luck and RGIII. If someone gave you ownership of a team and you had the choice of an unproven RGIII and an unproven Flynn to start a team only the people that don't want to say RGIII is going to be successful in the NFL will pick Flynn. RGIII does everything Flynn does and does it better, better arm strength, more accurate, mor mobile, better pocket presence and has a better football IQ.
The reason we got stuck with AJ Feeley is the same way the Cards got stuck with Kevin Kolb, they showed upside in a couple of games when a starter went down/or had garbage play time. I'm not saying Flynn will be the same but to skip out on one of the better QBs coming out of college for a QB who has shown pretty good stuff in a reserved role is not smart.