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With no o-line, how the the Baby Goat look last night??? Everyone talking about how Tua looked this season. No line and NO WEAPONS.

Everyone needs to relax with Tua. He is a worker with immense talent. He will be fine. Get him a few weapons and give him time to throw the damn ball!!!
 
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With no o-line, how the the Baby Goat look last night??? Everyone talking about how Tua looked this season. No line and NO WEAPONS.

Everyone needs to relax with Tua. He is a worker with immense talent. He will be fine. Get him a few weapons and give him time to throw the damn ball!!!
is definitely a team game, I don't think people were judging Tua on his performance because we knew that the line was young and the WR were not great, It was seeing what Fitz did with the same set of players that raised flags. Hopefully we have a huge offseason in the draft and FA and he steps up.
 
Agree. There will be a debate about taking the best offensive lineman in the draft at #3. I don’t think we need to go that far, with what we got out of our guys so far, I think we can protect his blind side (he’s left handed) with a far cheaper option. I do hope we find someone to trade down to about six.
 
Another factor that I believe played a role in Tua's game was his mobility. Either he was instructed or he was more cautious about extending plays with his legs. Certainly don't blame that approach but it did limit his game. Hopefully, another year removed from surgery and more time to get stronger will help him regain his mobility.
 
Baby GOAT had both his starting tackles out and it showed. Miami had two rookie tackles and rookie guard starting in 2020. Also Tua is a lefty, blind side is the right side which makes Hunt's position more important.

I am not worried about the line. We need playmakers.
 
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is definitely a team game, I don't think people were judging Tua on his performance because we knew that the line was young and the WR were not great, It was seeing what Fitz did with the same set of players that raised flags. Hopefully we have a huge offseason in the draft and FA and he steps up.

Love Fitz but he had nothing to lose so he slang it with almost no regard...when it works it's great but it's a 50-50 proposition...Tua played safe while adjusting to a new league...he only stunk in the Denver and last Bill's game...if you're looking for fantasy stats that will improve...but even Fitz wouldn't have been able to overcome Buffalo putting up 50
 
Miami's problem has been that they don't have anyone who can recognize and evaluate O-line talent. Over the past decade they've wasted 1st round picks on linemen who definitely were not worthy of being 1st round picks. I say this because IMO you need big, strong, physically dominating linemen in the trenches on both offense and defense , but Miami has consistently drafted the opposite of "old-school" at every position. Tunsil looked good only because he was the best lineman on the worst O-line in the league. Incognito was the last "tough" O-lineman that this team had, and IMO he's far tougher than ANYONE drafted or signed by Miami under Philbin, Gase, and Flores. After Bullygate, Incognito goes to Buffalo and becomes a Pro Bowler, while Philbin's O-lines struggled.

You can't say that the team hasn't been trying to build a good O-line; they spent a lot of resources on the line to no avail. The problem is that the Front Office keeps picking the wrong "type" of player. The fact that Philbin and Gase were against having a power running game with a tough, strong run-blocking O-line, preferring to use RBs as receivers out of the backfield, meant that they weren't interested in tough O-linemen. Philbin backed Jonathan Martin over Incognito, and kept starting Dallas Thomas. This right here tells me that Philbin had no clue what he was doing. And, even worse, who in the Front Office had the bright idea to draft Martin and Thomas? It may be too early to judge Hunt, Jackson, and Kindley, but I have no faith in Miami's Front Office to draft the right players. When Flores was hired, he said that he wanted a strong running game. So far, the O-line hasn't been very good at run-blocking (even though these new guys were described as being "maulers"), and the RBs they added to the roster are the opposite of power RBs.

For the first time in many years I watched the Super Bowl (only because I have NFL GamePass and watched the condensed version). I saw a tough, physical defense overwhelm a weak O-line with Mahomes running for his life on nearly every play. The Bucs defense held the Chiefs with their explosive, high-scoring offense to just 3 FGs. I stated in another thread that Miami's problem is they can't recognize or won't go after those tough, physically dominating players; they're a weak team overall, and not just on the O-line!
 
Miami's problem has been that they don't have anyone who can recognize and evaluate O-line talent. Over the past decade they've wasted 1st round picks on linemen who definitely were not worthy of being 1st round picks. I say this because IMO you need big, strong, physically dominating linemen in the trenches on both offense and defense , but Miami has consistently drafted the opposite of "old-school" at every position. Tunsil looked good only because he was the best lineman on the worst O-line in the league. Incognito was the last "tough" O-lineman that this team had, and IMO he's far tougher than ANYONE drafted or signed by Miami under Philbin, Gase, and Flores. After Bullygate, Incognito goes to Buffalo and becomes a Pro Bowler, while Philbin's O-lines struggled.

You can't say that the team hasn't been trying to build a good O-line; they spent a lot of resources on the line to no avail. The problem is that the Front Office keeps picking the wrong "type" of player. The fact that Philbin and Gase were against having a power running game with a tough, strong run-blocking O-line, preferring to use RBs as receivers out of the backfield, meant that they weren't interested in tough O-linemen. Philbin backed Jonathan Martin over Incognito, and kept starting Dallas Thomas. This right here tells me that Philbin had no clue what he was doing. And, even worse, who in the Front Office had the bright idea to draft Martin and Thomas? It may be too early to judge Hunt, Jackson, and Kindley, but I have no faith in Miami's Front Office to draft the right players. When Flores was hired, he said that he wanted a strong running game. So far, the O-line hasn't been very good at run-blocking (even though these new guys were described as being "maulers"), and the RBs they added to the roster are the opposite of power RBs.

For the first time in many years I watched the Super Bowl (only because I have NFL GamePass and watched the condensed version). I saw a tough, physical defense overwhelm a weak O-line with Mahomes running for his life on nearly every play. The Bucs defense held the Chiefs with their explosive, high-scoring offense to just 3 FGs. I stated in another thread that Miami's problem is they can't recognize or won't go after those tough, physically dominating players; they're a weak team overall, and not just on the O-line!
Or it could be Miami has had a problem of changing coaching staffs every few years. I’m not saying the FO isn’t to blame for some if not all the players. But each staff wants different types of OL, so that puts unnecessary pressure on the FO to retool the OL every few years.
 
Baby GOAT had both his starting tackles out and it showed. Miami had two rookie tackles and rookie guard starting in 2020. Also Tua is a lefty, blind side is the right side which makes Hunt's position more important.

I am not worried about the line. We need playmakers.
We've invested a 3rd, 1st and 2nd on the line already. Not to mention a 1st and 2nd on the d line as well. The key weak point was our skill player talent. Couldn't separate, couldn't catch and couldn't get the job done. Adding another linemen won't fix the main issue that murdered us last year. You gotta get talent out on the perimeter and in the backfield to help the line. Teams often don't focus on cohesion when improving each positional group. I view it as the skill players will improve, so there will be more plays to be made and Tua won't have to hold the ball long
 
Over the past decade they've wasted 1st round picks on linemen who definitely were not worthy of being 1st round picks.
Since 1996 we have used only 6 first round picks on OL.

that's 25 seasons.

2004 Vernon Carey

2008 Jake Long

2011 Mike Pouncey

2014 Ja'Wuan James

2016 Laremy Tunsil

2020 Austin Jackson

Don't know which first round picks we've wasted on OL in the past decade (maybe you mean James?).
 
Since 1996 we have used only 6 first round picks on OL.

that's 25 seasons.

2004 Vernon Carey

2008 Jake Long

2011 Mike Pouncey

2014 Ja'Wuan James

2016 Laremy Tunsil

2020 Austin Jackson

Don't know which first round picks we've wasted on OL in the past decade (maybe you mean James?).
Miami's problem has been that they don't have anyone who can recognize and evaluate O-line talent. Over the past decade they've wasted 1st round picks on linemen who definitely were not worthy of being 1st round picks. I say this because IMO you need big, strong, physically dominating linemen in the trenches on both offense and defense , but Miami has consistently drafted the opposite of "old-school" at every position. Tunsil looked good only because he was the best lineman on the worst O-line in the league. Incognito was the last "tough" O-lineman that this team had, and IMO he's far tougher than ANYONE drafted or signed by Miami under Philbin, Gase, and Flores. After Bullygate, Incognito goes to Buffalo and becomes a Pro Bowler, while Philbin's O-lines struggled.

You can't say that the team hasn't been trying to build a good O-line; they spent a lot of resources on the line to no avail. The problem is that the Front Office keeps picking the wrong "type" of player. The fact that Philbin and Gase were against having a power running game with a tough, strong run-blocking O-line, preferring to use RBs as receivers out of the backfield, meant that they weren't interested in tough O-linemen. Philbin backed Jonathan Martin over Incognito, and kept starting Dallas Thomas. This right here tells me that Philbin had no clue what he was doing. And, even worse, who in the Front Office had the bright idea to draft Martin and Thomas? It may be too early to judge Hunt, Jackson, and Kindley, but I have no faith in Miami's Front Office to draft the right players. When Flores was hired, he said that he wanted a strong running game. So far, the O-line hasn't been very good at run-blocking (even though these new guys were described as being "maulers"), and the RBs they added to the roster are the opposite of power RBs.

For the first time in many years I watched the Super Bowl (only because I have NFL GamePass and watched the condensed version). I saw a tough, physical defense overwhelm a weak O-line with Mahomes running for his life on nearly every play. The Bucs defense held the Chiefs with their explosive, high-scoring offense to just 3 FGs. I stated in another thread that Miami's problem is they can't recognize or won't go after those tough, physically dominating players; they're a weak team overall, and not just on the O-line!

And coaches who couldn't develop talent (e.g., Turner)
 
We've invested a 3rd, 1st and 2nd on the line already. Not to mention a 1st and 2nd on the d line as well. The key weak point was our skill player talent. Couldn't separate, couldn't catch and couldn't get the job done. Adding another linemen won't fix the main issue that murdered us last year. You gotta get talent out on the perimeter and in the backfield to help the line. Teams often don't focus on cohesion when improving each positional group. I view it as the skill players will improve, so there will be more plays to be made and Tua won't have to hold the ball long
Exactly. Grant needs to be replaced and Parker needs to be a #2 WR since he can't ever play 16 games.

Draft a #1 WR. Pick up a good RB in the the later rounds. You then line up #1 WR, Parker and Wilson. Keep Gaskins and your rookie RB. After that fill in the blanks as the players fall to you during the draft.
 
With no o-line, how the the Baby Goat look last night??? Everyone talking about how Tua looked this season. No line and NO WEAPONS.

Everyone needs to relax with Tua. He is a worker with immense talent. He will be fine. Get him a few weapons and give him time to throw the damn ball!!!
Every QB except Tua. Because if you bring up the fact that the pass blocking for Tua was atrocious and he had no weapons at the WR position besides an injured Parker. You are seen as an apologist for Tua who some people obviously think is suppose to play great even if the the OL is below average and the WR unit is the worst in the NFL.
 
Every QB needs help. No QB has ever won a single game by himself. You need the O-line to protect you and you need WR's to catch your passes as well. We'll see how we do in this off season but we have the picks to get Tua/the offense help. It's all a matter of using free agency and the draft wisely.
 
Since 1996 we have used only 6 first round picks on OL.

that's 25 seasons.

2004 Vernon Carey

2008 Jake Long

2011 Mike Pouncey

2014 Ja'Wuan James

2016 Laremy Tunsil

2020 Austin Jackson

Don't know which first round picks we've wasted on OL in the past decade (maybe you mean James?).
IMO, Pouncey, James, and Tunsil weren't 1st round caliber linemen. I did not see them as being tough or physically dominating. Pouncey was the anchor of an O-line that allowed Tannehill to be sacked more than any other QB during his first 4 seasons; he was weak and pushed back far too often. IMO, he made the Pro Bowl by name alone. James was a JAG, and Tunsil was a slightly better JAG. Luckily, O'Brien thought Tunsil was "elite" (when he wasn't committing penalties) and sold the farm to get him. Sorry, but when you have two or three 1st round O-linemen on your line and you still struggle to convert a 3rd or 4th and short on the ground, then your linemen suck and were a waste of a draft pick!
 
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