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hoops offseason do's and dont's for jeff ireland and joe philbin

TheWalrus said:
Wright is a heck of a talent. I don't think you're getting him if you trade down. Some people like him even better than Blackmon.
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Well I'm not talking about trading down to the 25-30 area but I think 15-20 might be right in his wheelhouse. If we win the coin toss at the combine and get the 8th pick and move down to 15 with Philadelphia who will probably be looking for defense (Coples) and we get Philly's 14th pick of the 2nd round we would have the 10th and the 14th of the 2nd round we could use to trade up into the 20's easily.
 
datruth55 said:
Well I'm not talking about trading down to the 25-30 area but I think 15-20 might be right in his wheelhouse. If we win the coin toss at the combine and get the 8th pick and move down to 15 with Philadelphia who will probably be looking for defense (Coples) and we get Philly's 14th pick of the 2nd round we would have the 10th and the 14th of the 2nd round we could use to trade up into the 20's easily.
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That's fine. I just don't see Wright lasting that long, especially if Blackmon goes #2 as currently expected.

This is not a terribly deep draft. Top talents are going to be at a premium and Wright is one, IMO. He's the reason RGIII has a Heisman if you ask me. The guy is just always open. Plus, several teams in the top seven need receivers.
 
TheWalrus said:
What about his role would give him the opportunity to show an innovative defensive mind, even if he had one?

Figuring out which position coach would make a good coordinator always strikes me as a fool's errand, anyway. Who the hell knows? All I know if Bowles is regarded as a top up and coming coach and that seems good to me. I wouldn't be surprised to see him get one of these head coaching jobs after the Dolphins basically chose Philbin over McCoy because Philbin was open to keeping him. Somehow that kind of fail would be very much in character.
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Fair enough. But I still require a little more verification than arbitrary and non qualitative assertions by "certain peers" that Bowles is "up and coming" to conclude that "it's good enough for me". It is in fact not good enough for me to conclude he is the man for the job.

I'm not saying he isn't, but I would like a little more substantive information before I come to the same conclusion
 
Harry_Bagpipe said:
Fair enough. But I still require a little more verification than arbitrary and non qualitative assertions by "certain peers" that Bowles is "up and coming" to conclude that "it's good enough for me". It is in fact not good enough for me to conclude he is the man for the job.

I'm not saying he isn't, but I would like a little more substantive information before I come to the same conclusion
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Me too. But how does any position coach show innovative thinking, is my point?

Given the impossibility of verification it seems reasonable to suggest that respect and buzz are positives. It's better than alchemy, anyway.
 
Sign BOTH Flynn and Nicks, get Fleener with #9 pick (yes he might go THAT high) and then ireland can draft defense to his heart's content the rest of the 2 days.
 
TheWalrus said:
That's fine. I just don't see Wright lasting that long, especially if Blackmon goes #2 as currently expected.

This is not a terribly deep draft. Top talents are going to be at a premium and Wright is one, IMO. He's the reason RGIII has a Heisman if you ask me. The guy is just always open.
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Well there are a handful of GMs who value Wright over Blackmon but there are a lot more GMs who look for a Blackmon type...build, size, speed...as their prototypical WRs. Guys like Michael Floyd and Alshon Jefferey may go off the board before Wright. If we traded down to the 15 area then you obviously have to have a contingency plan if Wright is off the board...maybe that's where you grab DeCastro or Fleener (a little high for him still)...could have Courtney Upshaw sitting there too. I'll have to get a good look at the top 15 and their needs before I know for sure but now with Philbin onboard and the possibility of getting Flynn I almost want to just Draft Wright at #9 but that would mean no Fleener cause I think he goes late first if he runs mid 4.7's or better...shoot he might go late first regardless with the way TEs have exploded on the NFL.
 
TheWalrus said:
Wright is a heck of a talent. I don't think you're getting him if you trade down. Some people like him even better than Blackmon (I could easily see him go to the Jags in round one).
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i'm not buying that personally...from what i know of blackmon he's pretty clean off the field and i think people are gonna view him as a clean terrell owens...i think he goes barring running a bad # top 5 all the way...i can see wright in the top 20...unless he scorches a 4.3 something in the 40...then maybe top 10
 
Justin Blackmon is a top 3 pick without a single doubt in my mind. Id trade up to get him if there was a way.
 
TheWalrus said:
Me too. But how does any position coach show innovative thinking, is my point?

Given the impossibility of verification it seems reasonable to suggest that respect and buzz are positives. It's not alchemy.
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I don't concede that to be the truth. Hence why I asked the question to people who study the game to a higher degree than I do. Just because to my neophytic eye it may not be obvious, doesn't mean it doesnt exist. Position coaches are promoted all the time. You conclude that you can't discern certain things about them. I admit that while I might not notice them, that the possibility to ascertain certain elements might still exist. Again, hence why I posed the question to someone who I readily admit studies the game much closer than I do
 
datruth55 said:
Well I'm not talking about trading down to the 25-30 area but I think 15-20 might be right in his wheelhouse. If we win the coin toss at the combine and get the 8th pick and move down to 15 with Philadelphia who will probably be looking for defense (Coples) and we get Philly's 14th pick of the 2nd round we would have the 10th and the 14th of the 2nd round we could use to trade up into the 20's easily.
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philly has babin and cole and they run that undersized wide 9 speed edge rushers scheme...i don't see them in play for coples...jax is the one i think would be looking hard at coples
 
datruth55 said:
Well there are a handful of GMs who value Wright over Blackmon but there are a lot more GMs who look for a Blackmon type...build, size, speed...as their prototypical WRs. Guys like Michael Floyd and Alshon Jefferey may go off the board before Wright. If we traded down to the 15 area then you obviously have to have a contingency plan if Wright is off the board...maybe that's where you grab DeCastro or Fleener (a little high for him still)...could have Courtney Upshaw sitting there too. I'll have to get a good look at the top 15 and their needs before I know for sure but now with Philbin onboard and the possibility of getting Flynn I almost want to just Draft Wright at #9 but that would mean no Fleener cause I think he goes late first if he runs mid 4.7's or better...shoot he might go late first regardless with the way TEs have exploded on the NFL.
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wouldn't surprise me if fleener runs in the 4.5's...i saw him run down a guy after an interception who had a head start like he was standing still...i don't think he plays 4.5 fast but i think he's gonna test 4.5 fast...i still think though top 10 given he's not much of a blocker is too rich...but i bet he wows em at the combine
 
Sounds about right to me, especially the drafting part. I'd trade back up into the 1st if needed to ensure we land one of Dwayne Allen or Coby Fleener.
 
blackmon won't get past minnesota at #3 if you ask me...i think st louis will jump all over him at #2 and fisher will go get cortland finnegan in free agency to ply cb for them...god knows they need him and he knows what kind of player and physical force finnegan is...
 
dwayne allen is someone i love but i have to say watching him run down the field and trying to throw over tall lbs in zone drop coverages etc given his lack of height and the fact that both flynn and matt moore look 6 ft 2 to me max it makes for a difficult throwing window...if i had a qb with more roethlisberger height etc i'd be more inclined to use a #1 pick on allen...i have a 1st round grade there as far as the player is concerned...but the maybe 6 ft 3 max height bothers me

anyways...he seems to be gaining a lot of momentum draft wise...
 
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