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matt moore threw a ball with pressure on his throwing arm that was absolutely outstanding in the center of the field and coverage all around to wallace...big time throw...guys arms pretty average but he's a solid athlete and that throw was money

moore under a lot of pressure from sidbury on garner and whoever feinga is responsible for...
 
looked to me like both our td passes to hartline and wallace were the result of blown coverages...
 
looked to me like both our td passes to hartline and wallace were the result of blown coverages...

They were, but your missing the big picture. How many times did our scheme confuse DBs last year. Not many. It happened twice in this preseason game. I take it as more proof that Daboll has a good plan. We will see on opening day.
 
looked to me like both our td passes to hartline and wallace were the result of blown coverages...
I could have sworn that Wallace did a stutter step during his route that froze the corner.
 
They were, but your missing the big picture. How many times did our scheme confuse DBs last year. Not many. It happened twice in this preseason game. I take it as more proof that Daboll has a good plan. We will see on opening day.

the big picture could also be we had no offseason otas to work on any of this stuff and as a result we didn't have the necessary communication on the back end...just sayin...
 
I could have sworn that Wallace did a stutter step during his route that froze the corner.

This is what I saw also. The Dolphins had a stutter go called which is real nice against a blitz if you get the time and have a gutty QB. The corner bit the cheese and got roasted (I'm sort of mixing my metaphors there). Moore did a good job hanging in because there was almost a free rusher coming at him and he got clobbered. I'm not sure I'd call that a blown coverage in the sense someone covered the wrong person or anything. Similar to the Hartline touchdown, which was a deep post and go called against three deep zone. Another nice call against that coverage. The corner bit on the post, Henne saw it and Hartline ran a real nice route. Boom. Wide open.

My only problem with that play is it highlighted a problem I see come up again and again with Hartline when I study the tape: the guy falls down a lot for no reason. As soon as he gets the ball in his hands and he starts running he trips over his own feet and stumbles to the ground. Happens over and over again. There was literally no reason for him to stumble and fall into the end zone on that play. None. It was a perfectly thrown ball he caught at his waist. If we had been five yards farther away he wouldn't have scored. If we had been twenty yards away -- God almighty. Imagine he catches that ball with an easy touchdown in front of him and he just falls down (this happened last year on a flea flicker against Tennessee IIRC). Hartline's inability to keep his balance with the ball in his hands is extremely frustrating. I mean, what good is a "deep threat" who does this?
 
This is what I saw also. The Dolphins had a stutter go called which is real nice against a blitz if you get the time and have a gutty QB. The corner bit the cheese and got roasted (I'm sort of mixing my metaphors there). Moore did a good job hanging in because there was almost a free rusher coming at him and he got clobbered. I'm not sure I'd call that a blown coverage in the sense someone covered the wrong person or anything. Similar to the Hartline touchdown, which was a deep post and go called against three deep zone. Another nice call against that coverage. The corner bit on the post, Henne saw it and Hartline ran a real nice route. Boom. Wide open.

My only problem with that play is it highlighted a problem I see come up again and again with Hartline when I study the tape: the guy falls down a lot for no reason. As soon as he gets the ball in his hands and he starts running he trips over his own feet and stumbles to the ground. Happens over and over again. There was literally no reason for him to stumble and fall into the end zone on that play. None. It was a perfectly thrown ball he caught at his waist. If we had been five yards farther away he wouldn't have scored. If we had been twenty yards away -- God almighty. Imagine he catches that ball with an easy touchdown in front of him and he just falls down (this happened last year on a flea flicker against Tennessee IIRC). Hartline's inability to keep his balance with the ball in his hands is extremely frustrating. I mean, what good is a "deep threat" who does this?

well thats what i get for my dvr going out due to weather and relying on my link feed last night on the wallace play at least...i lost the last 30 seconds of the half so you 2 are probably right...i don't recall however ever seeing the coverage on the hartline play...i just assumed it was blown he was so wide open

appreciate the heads up if thats accurate
 
b/t magoo...feel free to chime in with any of your tape observations...please
 
well thats what i get for my dvr going out due to weather and relying on my link feed last night on the wallace play at least...i lost the last 30 seconds of the half so you 2 are probably right...i don't recall however ever seeing the coverage on the hartline play...i just assumed it was blown he was so wide open

appreciate the heads up if thats accurate

They only showed the important angle on the local (Channel 34) feed. Griese and Nat Moore showed it and talked about it. On the broadcast they showed on NFL Network -- with Charles Davis and another guy -- they didn't go over it.
 
edmond gates showing that extra gear to separate down the field...he goes from even to leavin...very nice

too bad we couldn't make the damn throws
 
b/t magoo...feel free to chime in with any of your tape observations...please

I still have to go over it some more, but you've covered a bunch of what I saw. Your thoughts on the O-line are spot on. We both agree on Incog, of course. On one "pull" he just ran into a pile of bodies and fell down. Ugh. I agree with you that Lydon Murtha's probably the best bet to win the RT job.

One thing I noticed is that Gates is very much able to separate at this level. That's always a worry about guys from a lower conference, whether the speed is something of a mirage thanks to the competition. But he was outrunning everyone that I saw. Marlon Moore's going to get cut. Anytime Gates is one the field and Henne sees cover one he better audible and take a shot, because very few guys are going to be able to keep up with this guy. Wallace seems improved from last year, I thought. He seems to have his body much more under control, but he still dropped a fairly easy ball if I recall.

I saw absolutely nothing of interest from Sheets. He's halfway out the door. Grigsby looks much more interesting but even he's probably more of a PS guy you bring up with Bush, inevitably, gets injured. We'll be scouring the waiver wire for someone. Wouldn't surprise me (meaning: I wouldn't like it) to see BenJarvus Green Ellis brought here if he shakes loose from New England.

Carroll was a big disappointment, obviously. The (starting) d-line and the (starting) linebackers pretty much all looked bad. Very little physicality. Well, Odrick I thought looked good.
 
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According to Sparano and Henne, Bess ran the wrong route on that 2nd pick. But again, he still stared him down and threw it. Otherwise I agree on the Fasano pass. People complain he didnt lead him, but if he would have Fasano would have gotten decapitated. What did you see from the Oline?

Year 3 and everytime we hear the receiver ran the wrong route! Bess, Hartline, Marshall, ginn all wrong route. Sooner or later people won't buy this!
 
carroll looks like last year still...too timid...doesn't trust himself...high end tools but he bails too much...you can't give guys that kind of cushion at this level down the field with these high end qbs...they will pick you apart

i agree with you that a rb is coming here from someone elses cuts...

and daniel thomas...all he wanted to do was get to the los...didn't care if there was a wall there or not

i do like how livas makes one cut and gets vertical...no sideways with that kid...got to have a guy who doesn't beat around the bush as a returner...got to...make the cut and get upfield...although if he gets breathed on he's going down

as for the starting d to me it just looked like they were goin thru the motions...john abraham looked that way to me also...he could care less about makin plays in that game
 
i think john jerrys showed ok in the 2 deep oline...to me you keep him and garner out of this group...berger i think gets the axe...

but i can also see us going and getting someone else off the street or cuts

interesting to see garner playing some center in this game...hmmmm
 
carroll looks like last year still...too timid...doesn't trust himself...high end tools but he bails too much...you can't give guys that kind of cushion at this level down the field with these high end qbs...they will pick you apart

i agree with you that a rb is coming here from someone elses cuts...

and daniel thomas...all he wanted to do was get to the los...didn't care if there was a wall there or not

i do like how livas makes one cut and gets vertical...no sideways with that kid...got to have a guy who doesn't beat around the bush as a returner...got to...make the cut and get upfield...although if he gets breathed on he's going down

as for the starting d to me it just looked like they were goin thru the motions...john abraham looked that way to me also...he could care less about makin plays in that game
Livas did show some great balance on his long return when the punter hit him. I hate how he tried to be fancy on the return after his TD, but I get that he's a fringe player just trying to impress the coaches. On an unrelated note, did you see Ingram's TD run yesterday? He has the balance of a ballerina.
 
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