How about we go after both Jermichael Finley and Peyton Manning?

[j-off-her-doll]

Meh, don't know why that got posted as a link rather than an image.

 

[theguy]

I don't believe people around here understand the concept of cap space...

Actually, we're not doing too bad in cap space.

http://nyjetscap.com/Dolphins/dolphins2012.php

This link has us at about 108M for 2012. It assumes we let Paul Solai walk. Another cap casualty could be Y.Bell. His star is dimming and he commands the 4th highest cap hit on the roster. If we lose him, we'd be spending about ~102M next year. Next years cap is expected to be 125M. That gives us 23M to sign players. Franchise TE tag is about 6M. We'd still have 17M to sign Manning, trade up and sign a top 5 rookie in the draft. These scenarios aren't impossible. I'm not saying this is the best way to go about spending our cap space, but I guess this is what these posts are for.

 

[insomnia411]

If the ****ing Eagles were able to spend the kind of money they spent last year and stay under the cap, I don't see why we couldn't get both Peyton Manning and another impact FA. I doubt that Finley becomes available, but if not him then Desean Jackson, Carl Nicks or Mario Williams could be a possibility... If we get Peyton Manning, we are gonna become a much more attractive destinations for free agents overnight.

 

[NY8123]

Let’s play a game: Name That TE

Rec	Yds	Ave	Yds/G	Lng	TD's	20+	40+	1[SUP]st[/SUP]%
55	767	13.9	47.9	41	8	14	1	80
32	451	14.1	30.1	35T	5	12	0	78.1

One had an all pro QB throwing to him who was deemed the best QB in the league and the other had two QB’s throwing to him that were deemed backups by the pundits. Who are they?

I think we could use help in other places in the offense and go after a speedy TE Hybrid type player in the later rounds of the draft. Don't forget that Clay showed some flashes of good receiving ability late last season as well.

Finley would be a low priority in my opinion.

 

[DcRy82]

As much as I like Finley, I would rather Fleener.

I've seen a few people mention they'd rather have Fleener over Finley.. I wana know is it because you guys think Fleener is better than Finley or because don't want to spend that much on a TE? or Combination of the 2? Finley is hands down the more talented player, and he's proven.

 

[JFoxx]

I like the thought and enthusiasm, but . . . . . Finley you can count as "off the table". GB will keep him by either signing an extension or just tagging him. Probably better chance at the second option because the tag with TE's just went down for next year and probably will be cheaper for them than signing a multi-year deal.

Now with Manning, that's a catch-22 no matter how you look at it. Assuming he's not completely done, that means that he's a) slowly making his way back and we'd have to go after him not knowing when/if he'd be available to play for us; or b) he's healthy and if Indy releases him, he'll have at least 10 teams going after him with some big offers. We probably can't afford a fully cleared Manning with our cap numbers. So that means we either move on from him or take a HUGE gamble and try to sign him if he's still uncertain when/if he will return. And I'm not sure he will even do that until he knows.

So back to your original post . . . . . study how N.E. picked their TE's and get someone who will be a difference-maker instead of someone who blocks and occasionally goes out for passes.
At QB . . . . well, I'm sure we are already coming up with 5 different plans depending on who they want to go after and if they fall throug.

 

[insomnia411]

Let’s play a game: Name That TE

Rec	Yds	Ave	Yds/G	Lng	TD's	20+	40+	1[SUP]st[/SUP]%
55	767	13.9	47.9	41	8	14	1	80
32	451	14.1	30.1	35T	5	12		78.1

One had an all pro QB throwing to him who was deemed the best QB in the league and the other had two QB’s throwing to him that were deemed backups by the pundits. Who are they?

I think we could use help in other places in the offense and go after a speedy TE Hybrid type player in the later rounds of the draft. Don't forget that Clay showed some flashes of good receiving ability late last season as well.

Finley would be a low priority in my opinion.​

I don't really understand your point. Finley is a demonstratively much better tight end and it's reflected in his numbers. Obviously he has a much better QB than Fasano does, but Fasano has about 1/4 the athelticism and playmaking ability of Finley. He would be a huge upgrade for us, we've badly needed a seam threat for a long time.

 

[Dmarino110]

Of course this is assuming Peyton is healthy. We could clear whatever cap space needed to make that happen. But if we were to get both Jermichael Finley and Peyton Manning, and use our 1st round pick on an elite Offensive Lineman, we would have one of the most high powered offenses in the league. Marshall and Finley getting the ball from Peyton? Sounds like a contender to me.


What do you guys think? Is it an impossible thought?

the NFL is not really like Madden 20**

sorry but not gonna happen on either count

 

[theguy]

I like the thought and enthusiasm, but . . . . . Finley you can count as "off the table". GB will keep him by either signing an extension or just tagging him. Probably better chance at the second option because the tag with TE's just went down for next year and probably will be cheaper for them than signing a multi-year deal.

Now with Manning, that's a catch-22 no matter how you look at it. Assuming he's not completely done, that means that he's a) slowly making his way back and we'd have to go after him not knowing when/if he'd be available to play for us; or b) he's healthy and if Indy releases him, he'll have at least 10 teams going after him with some big offers. We probably can't afford a fully cleared Manning with our cap numbers. So that means we either move on from him or take a HUGE gamble and try to sign him if he's still uncertain when/if he will return. And I'm not sure he will even do that until he knows.

Not sure what's catch-22 about Manning. He will ultimately decide on where to go and money won't be the driving factor. We have enough cap space to sign anyone in the league. We can structure a deal that is performance based. He'll get bonuses/accelerators when he's able to play. This will probably be how most teams approach Manning.

So back to your original post . . . . . study how N.E. picked their TE's and get someone who will be a difference-maker instead of someone who blocks and occasionally goes out for passes.
At QB . . . . well, I'm sure we are already coming up with 5 different plans depending on who they want to go after and if they fall throug.

It's tough to just say study how N.E. does it. They were a 1 seed and their cap hit right now is 85M or 40M below cap. Everyone in the league should study how NE does it. They're a perennial powerhouse with no names on their roster other than Brady. The secret really isn't a secret at all. They make a killing in the draft. They consistently trade down and find value every year with their multiple selections. They also bring up players from practice squads. Gronk, Hernandez, Woodhead, Edleman, BJGE, and Welker get paid a combined 10M or about how much Brandon Marshall costs us. I think I listed everyone worth mentioning on the NE skills player depth chart.

BTW, Finley is not someone who "blocks and occasionally goes out for passes".

 

[CHIPHINFAN1354]

Manning would make Fasano look like Dallas Clark cause Manning is just that good.

 

[DuderinoN703]

Let’s play a game: Name That TE

Rec	Yds	Ave	Yds/G	Lng	TD's	20+	40+	1[SUP]st[/SUP]%
55	767	13.9	47.9	41	8	14	1	80
32	451	14.1	30.1	35T	5	12	0	78.1

One had an all pro QB throwing to him who was deemed the best QB in the league and the other had two QB’s throwing to him that were deemed backups by the pundits. Who are they?

I think we could use help in other places in the offense and go after a speedy TE Hybrid type player in the later rounds of the draft. Don't forget that Clay showed some flashes of good receiving ability late last season as well.

Finley would be a low priority in my opinion.

Finley had a decent year and would be a welcome addition to the team IMO. Having him and Clay out there wouldn't be a horrible thing. I like Fasano and hell, if the Dolphins had a good, long-lasting QB to throw him the ball, maybe he'd be even better.

 

[NY8123]

I don't really understand your point. Finley is a demonstratively much better tight end and it's reflected in his numbers. Obviously he has a much better QB than Fasano does, but Fasano has about 1/4 the athelticism and playmaking ability of Finley. He would be a huge upgrade for us, we've badly needed a seam threat for a long time.

Explain to me how Finley's numbers are demonstratively much better?

The numbers are very similar and in fact if you further take into account that Finley was targeted 93 times compared to Fasano's 54 you could make the case that Fasano did more with far less. Give some love to a guy who deserves it on the team, 3/4's of this board want to can a player who comes to work every day and constantly ranks near the top of all TE"s even though Miami didn't utilize the TE position like the top offenses in the league.

 

[JFoxx]

BTW, Finley is not someone who "blocks and occasionally goes out for passes".

Last point first. What I meant by the "block and occasionally goes out for a pass" was our current TE, not Finley.
The New England comment . . . . I know it's not a secret, you know it's not a secret, 75% of the people on here know it's not a secret. The point was, why doesn't our wonderful GM realize what/how they are doing this and at least mirror some of it?
As far as Manning . . . if you think he's going to sign for any type of reasonable offer (if healthy - and that's the key point), you're dreaming. And bonuses and escalators do count against the cap otherwise all contracts would set up that way with reasonable levels to acheive.

 

[NYPhin24]

Explain to me how Finley's numbers are demonstratively much better?

The numbers are very similar and in fact if you further take into account that Finley was targeted 93 times compared to Fasano's 54 you could make the case that Fasano did more with far less. Give some love to a guy who deserves it on the team, 3/4's of this board want to can a player who comes to work every day and constantly ranks near the top of all TE"s even though Miami didn't utilize the TE position like the top offenses in the league.

Also wouldnt help to add another pair of inconsistent hands to the team, Finley ranked 5th worst in the NFL with 11 drops last season,

Let alone, everyone wants a "seam threat" who can stretch the defense out, but Finley is actually slower than Fasano in terms of 40 time, Fasano:4.72 Finley:4.82, fact is they both look slow out on the field, and in terms of size Fasano is 6-4 255lbs, Finley is 6-5 247lbs

So basically the Phins would be paying a boat load of money for a guy essentially the same size as Fasano, slightly slower than Fasano, who has already had a major injury, and has had an elite QB throwing to him and his production is not even that much greater than Fasano

 

[insomnia411]

Explain to me how Finley's numbers are demonstratively much better?

The numbers are very similar and in fact if you further take into account that Finley was targeted 93 times compared to Fasano's 54 you could make the case that Fasano did more with far less. Give some love to a guy who deserves it on the team, 3/4's of this board want to can a player who comes to work every day and constantly ranks near the top of all TE"s even though Miami didn't utilize the TE position like the top offenses in the league.

Um, his numbers are demonstratively better because he had 1 1/2x the production that Fasano had in every category, maybe? Can we agree that the ****ing sky is blue?
Maybe Finley had a lot more targets because he's a much more worthy target than Fasano is and he can actually get open on a consistent basis? Fasano barely can get any seperation and he doesn't exactly make every catch. Seriously, have you actually watched these 2 play? The level of talent is not close.