How about we go after both Jermichael Finley and Peyton Manning?

[DcRy82]

Um, his numbers are demonstratively better because he had 1 1/2x the production that Fasano had in every category, maybe? Can we agree that the ****ing sky is blue?
Maybe Finley had a lot more targets because he's a much more worthy target than Fasano is and he can actually get open on a consistent basis? Fasano barely can get any seperation and he doesn't exactly make every catch. Seriously, have you actually watched these 2 play? The level of talent is not close.

Agreed. Players not seeing as many targets could be the type of offense they are in, their ability to be open, or a combination of the 2. Fasano struggles to get open in most man to man situation. Correct me if I'm wrong, but most of Fasano's catches tended to be against zone coverage. So to insomnia's point, you can't simply say "if Fasano had more tagets, (x number of stats would have been accumulated)" because he simply may not have been open.

 

[DcRy82]

Also wouldnt help to add another pair of inconsistent hands to the team, Finley ranked 5th worst in the NFL with 11 drops last season,

Let alone, everyone wants a "seam threat" who can stretch the defense out, but Finley is actually slower than Fasano in terms of 40 time, Fasano:4.72 Finley:4.82, fact is they both look slow out on the field, and in terms of size Fasano is 6-4 255lbs, Finley is 6-5 247lbs

So basically the Phins would be paying a boat load of money for a guy essentially the same size as Fasano, slightly slower than Fasano, who has already had a major injury, and has had an elite QB throwing to him and his production is not even that much greater than Fasano

Really bro? You're going to compare combine 40 times to tell us who is faster on the field? The eyeball test works just fine in this instance.

 

[NYPhin24]

Really bro? You're going to compare combine 40 times to tell us who is faster on the field? The eyeball test works just fine in this instance.

As I said bro, if you watch them on the field, Finley is NOT fast or a "seam threat" by any means, he is big body like Fasano who uses his big frame to "box" defenders out for the ball, regardless i knew somehow that would be the only thing taken from what i said, i added in as a small example just to show that this guy isnt a "fast TE" that everyone wants and thinks we need, fact still reminds his production was not that much more impressive than Fasano's and he will cost HUGE money compared to Fasano, and again add in the fact that he has an issue with drops, but continue to ignore those facts

 

[DcRy82]

As I said bro, if you watch them on the field, Finley is NOT fast or a "seam threat" by any means, he is big body like Fasano who uses his big frame to "box" defenders out for the ball, regardless i knew somehow that would be the only thing taken from what i said, i added in as a small example just to show that this guy isnt a "fast TE" that everyone wants and thinks we need, fact still reminds his production was not that much more impressive than Fasano's and he will cost HUGE money compared to Fasano, and again add in the fact that he has an issue with drops, but continue to ignore those facts

Just because I didn't comment on the rest of your post doesn't mean I ignored it. I commented on the part that I disagreed with. I did not discount the rest of your observation, I either agreed with parts of it or felt they were moot points.

 

[NYPhin24]

Just because I didn't comment on the rest of your post doesn't mean I ignored it. I commented on the part that I disagreed with. I did not discount the rest of your observation, I either agreed with parts of it or felt they were moot points.

so do you consider Finley to be what Miami needs at TE (seem threat)/ to invest huge money in? To me TE was not an "issue" last season, Fasano had a good year and Clay showed development and made some tough catches adjusting to the ball, and that was with Henne who ignores the TE and Sparano and Daboll waiting until mid season to finally realize they need to involve the TE position in the gameplan, as well as Matt Moore getting comfortable with his TE's using them more as the season went on, if the Dolphins were going to invest big $ in one player not named Peyton Manning, IMO i would rather spend it on Mario Williams and take the double teams off Wake, again IMO, another pass rusher is a bigger need than the luxury of another TE, however i think the point is moot since the Packers will most likely franchise tag Finley

 

[DcRy82]

so do you consider Finley to be what Miami needs at TE (seem threat)/ to invest huge money in? To me TE was not an "issue" last season, Fasano had a good year and Clay showed development and made some tough catches adjusting to the ball, and that was with Henne who ignores the TE and Sparano and Daboll waiting until mid season to finally realize they need to involve the TE position in the gameplan, as well as Matt Moore getting comfortable with his TE's using them more as the season went on, if the Dolphins were going to invest big $ in one player not named Peyton Manning, IMO i would rather spend it on Mario Williams and take the double teams off Wake, again IMO, another pass rusher is a bigger need than the luxury of another TE, however i think the point is moot since the Packers will most likely franchise tag Finley

I absolutely agree with looking into spending money elsewhere before spending it on a TE. I actually really like Clay as well. He could develop into exactly what we are looking for. I like Fasano, but not as a consistent receiving threat. Most of the fans like the guy for all the right reasons (works hard, gets the most out of his ability, etc.), but I can thnk of at least 15 TEs i'd rather have besides Fasano, and Finely is one of them.
But to your point, I too would rather spend big money on a pass rusher, OG, or OT than a TE.

 

[NY8123]

Um, his numbers are demonstratively better because he had 1 1/2x the production that Fasano had in every category, maybe? Can we agree that the ****ing sky is blue?
Maybe Finley had a lot more targets because he's a much more worthy target than Fasano is and he can actually get open on a consistent basis? Fasano barely can get any seperation and he doesn't exactly make every catch. Seriously, have you actually watched these 2 play? The level of talent is not close.

The numbers are slightly better because of the wide open passing game that Green Bay runs with an All Pro QB. If you want to see demonstratively better look at Graham and Gronk, look at what they did with All Pro Qb's throwing to them, that is definitively better.

It's funny that Fasano and Finley are 1% off in their catch rate but Finley has all pro hands but Fasano doesn't LMAO! Finley dropped 12 passes to Fasano's 1 and Finley grades out as a horrible run blocking TE.

I guess if you want to give a **** load of cash to a tight end that isn't any better than the one you have then I have a deal for you!

The sky isn't blue at night.

 

[Pepe305]

so do you consider Finley to be what Miami needs at TE (seem threat)/ to invest huge money in? To me TE was not an "issue" last season, Fasano had a good year and Clay showed development and made some tough catches adjusting to the ball, and that was with Henne who ignores the TE and Sparano and Daboll waiting until mid season to finally realize they need to involve the TE position in the gameplan, as well as Matt Moore getting comfortable with his TE's using them more as the season went on, if the Dolphins were going to invest big $ in one player not named Peyton Manning, IMO i would rather spend it on Mario Williams and take the double teams off Wake, again IMO, another pass rusher is a bigger need than the luxury of another TE, however i think the point is moot since the Packers will most likely franchise tag Finley

I disagree. If we didn't go after Manning, I would much rather spend the big money on a FA offensive acquisition. Another WR, TE, anything to take this offense to the next level. Offenses are what's winning in this league right now, look at New England, Green Bay, New Orleans. High powered offenses make you a contender. I wouldn't sacrifice going after an offensive player for a DE or NT or any defensive player.

 

[fakespike]

finley would be very expensive, although in that case we would likely can Fasano and save $3.6 million against the cap this year, which would take some of the bite out of finley's contract.

i'd rather draft Fleener. kid is gonna be a beast. 6-6 245. great hands and ball skills. and fast. i know hes bulked up, but he ran a 4.4 coming out of high school. http://stanford.scout.com/a.z?s=18&p=8&c=1&nid=2844507

these physically huge, massively athletic TE's are redefining NFL offenses. really all started with gonzo and gates, but the rate has increased recently.

 

[NYPhin24]

I disagree. If we didn't go after Manning, I would much rather spend the big money on a FA offensive acquisition. Another WR, TE, anything to take this offense to the next level. Offenses are what's winning in this league right now, look at New England, Green Bay, New Orleans. High powered offenses make you a contender. I wouldn't sacrifice going after an offensive player for a DE or NT or any defensive player.

Tell that to the Giants who kept stock piling pass rushers which almost single handily beat the most high powered offense in the history of the NFL in the Super Bowl, again just look at this season, Giants once there D-Line got healthy and everyone was back, they got hot again and carried them through the playoffs, Aaron Rodgers arguably the best QB in the league looked lost and clearly the giants pass rush was in his head

the TE position is not "hole" this team has or an absolute "need"

another pass rusher to go with wake is a NEED, how many times during Dolphin games did we see the opposing QB standing back in the pocket with all the time in the world to throw the ball, the secondary can only last for so long, just think back to Jason Taylor and Adewale Ogunleye, Vonnie Holiday and Kevin Carter, Madison and Surtain were great but they were helped out but multiple pass rushers harassing QBs

would you rather have Fasano and Clay and then Cam Wake and Mario Williams

or Fasano and Finley, and Wake and Koa Missing, again its basically like Cam is out there by himself, and as much as JT might not have been amazing this season he still had 6.5 sacks i believe, he is now gone, Misi cant even match the production of a guy in his late 30's