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How bad is this Defense?

Carne Asada

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So, they won the Pats game.

Sucked against Lamar but got enough stops to turn the game around.

Contained Josh very well. Well enough to make their OC throw a tantrum.

The Bengals game was within reach.

The bottom fell off in the 4th quarter against the Jets.

Kept it close against the Vikings, who are apparently good.

Held the Steelers to 10 in a game Tua was just alright. Sealed the game with an Igby pick.

Blew chunks against the Lions who have a good offense but shut them down in the second half to make the comeback possible.

Blew chunks against the Bears but they did close out a game McTua nearly choked away.

All of this with McKinley, Fejedelem, Campbell, an undrafted jewel our DC found and coached up in Kohou and Igby isn't terrible anymore and is still only 22.

We have lost 3/5 of our starting DBs.

Honestly, I give Boyer the benefit of the doubt for the time being.
 
Oh god. I thought this was going to be another “do you think Vic Fangio will become our DC by tomorrow?” thread.

Yeah dude, 1/2 of our starting defense is already out or currently injured. Our only real defensive move in the off season was extending Ogbah - added NOTHING (except Ingram as a last second throwaway). In fact, Ogbah has been so useless/injured that Chubb took 75% of his snaps when he was only on the team for 3 freakin days.

All things considered, this defense is playing well and within the scheme.

“No big plays, lean on the O, then tighten up when we need you to.”

We’re 6-0 with our starting QB and have won several games solely on defense. We haven’t lost **** cause of D and you got 1/2 the forum giving themselves anxiety on “well maaaaybe!!!”

Get a grip.
 
I feel like that Randy Moss quote describes them perfectly..."They play when they wanna play". When we really need a stop they get it. When the offense needs some help the defense provides it. We may not be able to rely on them for 4 full QTRs sometimes but when it's crunch time it feels like they deliver. It's pretty much the opposite of the early 2000's defense who would always choke when we needed them most but would play well for at least 3 QTRs.
 
Watching them trying to tackle Fields that defense is right up there with the Keystone cops right now. Not joking. They gave up an NFL record. Doesnt get much worse. Only way is up but that 'performance' was poor and some. Main issue was tackling or lack of.
 
Pretty bad. They’re 25th in the NFL in points allowed and 23rd in yards allowed. They’re bottom five in most efficiency metrics.

Every team deals with injuries. We have our entire front 7 intact. We have our #1 CB. We have our #1 S. We’re missing three starters in the secondary. Not really that extraordinary. It’s the NFL. We’re missing two starters on the OL and the OL is performing better than ever.
 
Marino2.0 said:
Pretty bad. They’re 25th in the NFL in points allowed and 23rd in yards allowed. They’re bottom five in most efficiency metrics.

Every team deals with injuries. We have our entire front 7 intact. We have our #1 CB. We have our #1 S. We’re missing three starters in the secondary. Not really that extraordinary. It’s the NFL. We’re missing two starters on the OL and the OL is performing better than ever.
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Idk. I like to look at context.
 
Carne Asada said:
Idk. I like to look at context.
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Me too. I just don’t think we’re evaluating the context the same way. We just got torn apart by pocket passer Jared Goff, who scored 0 and 6 points in the two games before playing us and 15 points in the game after playing us.

Then we got torn apart by scrambling QB Justin Fields, who ran for 70 more yards against us than he ever did against any other team in his entire career including college.

Neither of those teams or offenses are good, and they have nothing in common, and they both crushed our defense even though we were only missing 3 of 11 defensive starters to injury (and Kohou is probably as good or better than Needham anyway).

The injuries on defense are an excuse. We’re not missing our best pass rusher. We’re not missing our best DT. We’re not missing our best linebacker. We’re not missing our best cornerback. We’re not missing our best safety. We’re missing a #2 CB, a league-average strong safety who split snaps, and a pretty good nickel back. That’s not some crazy scenario in the NFL.
 
I’m probably in the minority, but I’m not worried about the D- yet.

In 40+ years of watching football, I’ve found it’s EXTREMELY rare to have a Super Bowl quality team playing peak football in all 3 phases throughout the entire season.

Last week the Eagles gave up over 150 yards rushing to an awful Texans team. We’re not the only team with chinks in the armour. Just gotta make the right adjustments and hope for better injury luck.
 
Need more turn overs and sacks.
In the 20's while last year inside the top 10.
The D has done a solid job on run D bar restricting mobile QB's.
Hoping Chubb makes a difference and Jones CB gets back on the field to team with a healthily X.
 
Watching a highlight reel focused on Chubb during the Bears game, he was a half step away or less on 4 or 5 would be sacks.

Chubb getting more comfortable within the defense coupled with facing a few QB’s way less slippery than Fields and things can start to turn around rather quickly.

That being said, with the QB’s Miami will be facing in the playoffs, they need to figure out QB containment and fast.
 
I just finished watching the all-22 and my take away was that other than not being able to stop Fields running, they were actually pretty good. Without looking up the numbers, I would guess that the rest of their team averaged less than 3.0 yards per rush and the passing efficiency numbers were crap. A lot of his missed passes were due to pass rush pressure. They didn't get home but they did cause incompletions. I thought our DL generally controlled the line. The struggles came from the contain on the edges against the QB run. They used a spy sometimes but the technique was poor. IMO the best spy was Riley. He should have played more snaps. The D obviously had a bad game b/c they allowed a ton of points, but in terms of their play, they were good at most things and bad at one. And that one thing is not something that many teams can replicate.
 
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