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How Dolphins' new starters compare with former ones

Southbeach 2 said:
I like Jackson but, he uses PFF too much in most of his articles. He should watch the games.
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i thought you were all about PFF SouthB ? Hey we are two and two so there are lots of problems to fix but these stats tell me tackle is not one of them.
 
fishfanmiami said:
i thought you were all about PFF SouthB ? Hey we are two and two so there are lots of problems to fix but these stats tell me tackle is not one of them.
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Just playin a bit ff. :)
 
Guys -- all this discussion on OL stats so far has overlooked some glaring realities:

1. The interior of the OL (including Satele) got majorly exposed by Buffalo, and also KC. *Pocket* was a euphemism for collapsed.
2. Lazor made a big adjustment in the Raiders game by going away from plays that assumed a dependable pocket -- with success, but against far lesser talent.

People who look at the numbers and pretend that the interior of the OL is just fine without Pouncey going forward are missing reality, imo.

Yes, the tackles are playing much better than last year, but the OL as a whole has been exposed by high quality talent and protected by Lazor's adjustments, and also Tannehill's ability to make pressure releases and move outside *pocket*

And, regarding CBs -- Finnegan is not great, but he is solid so far. He potentially will be exposed against good WRs and QBs.

LD
 
ChambersWI said:
He is making jokes because a lot of people give him **** for going off of PFF so much
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All in fun. However, I do think Barry went too much on sacks only, instead of including hits and hurries.
 
LDaniel7 said:
Guys -- all this discussion on OL stats so far has overlooked some glaring realities:

1. The interior of the OL (including Satele) got majorly exposed by Buffalo, and also KC. *Pocket* was a euphemism for collapsed.
2. Lazor made a big adjustment in the Raiders game by going away from plays that assumed a dependable pocket -- with success, but against far lesser talent.

People who look at the numbers and pretend that the interior of the OL is just fine without Pouncey going forward are missing reality, imo.

Yes, the tackles are playing much better than last year, but the OL as a whole has been exposed by high quality talent and protected by Lazor's adjustments, and also Tannehill's ability to make pressure releases and move outside *pocket*

And, regarding CBs -- Finnegan is not great, but he is solid so far. He potentially will be exposed against good WRs and QBs.

LD
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Agreed. Tannehill was under pressure 38 times vs KC and Buff.
 
Actually i enjoy the stats my pal SB puts up. They are usefully and I'm too lazy to look them up myself.

I nominate him for one of these

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LDaniel7 said:
Guys -- all this discussion on OL stats so far has overlooked some glaring realities:

1. The interior of the OL (including Satele) got majorly exposed by Buffalo, and also KC. *Pocket* was a euphemism for collapsed.

LD
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Miller ran for over 100 vs KC through some nice hole but your right about Buffalo.
Without our pro bowl center all in all they held the fort until he got back. With 5 new starters I think they have done well especially compared to the group last year.
 
fishfanmiami said:
Miller ran for over 100 vs KC through some nice hole but your right about Buffalo.
Without our pro bowl center all in all they held the fort until he got back. With 5 new starters I think they have done well especially compared to the group last year.
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Agreed. As badly as the OL got owned by Buffalo, and to lesser degree KC, it's still an improvement over last year. My goodness. No words to describe last year. The Buffalo game last year in NY -- it's about as low as it gets being a Dolphin fan, and realizing that your team is like schoolboys in the trenches compared to the others, and that their playmakers at skill positions are actually playmakers, and most of your are just guys filling a position w. *consistent* mediocrity.

Very low, last year.

This year, there are signs of life. I can see this team being a playoff team this year, even w. the tough odds around the AFC.

Hopefully everyone stays healthy!

LD
 
This play resulted in a sack against KC, not sure what percentage of the time he holds on to the ball and eats it but I don't think its fair to blame the o-line for every pressure, maybe not even the majority.


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roy_miami said:
This play resulted in a sack against KC, not sure what percentage of the time he holds on to the ball and eats it but I don't think its fair to blame the o-line for every pressure, maybe not even the majority.


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This is another reason why IMO Tanny has struggled with accuracy sometimes. He doesn't always go for the easy pass when it's there. Against Oakland there was a play we did a fake sweep to Landry and he was wide open but Tanny went to Miller for a 1 yard gain. Now that's not every play, but I do think that Tanny sometimes just tries to force the ball to certain players rather than take what's given to him.

But there have been some pressures up the middle that have hurt us at times. The tackles to me haven't been an issue. Either way, there's no way you can't watch this OL and say it isn't better than last year's.
 
When together, Cog, Pouncey, and Jerry last year were easily better than Satele, Colledge, and Dallas/Shelly.
 
Southbeach 2 said:
When together, Cog, Pouncey, and Jerry last year were easily better than Satele, Colledge, and Dallas/Shelly.
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Its really difficult to make comparisons like that, the o-line will only ever be as good as its weakest link. As an extreme example if you play without a left tackle at all and give a DE a free release on every play the other players on the line will end up with near perfect stats, because the play will be over much faster than they will ever be beaten.

I've made this point before but if you have the perfect QB, perfect coaching and perfect play calling the 5 o-linemen aren't going to give up more than 20-25 sacks. With that in mind when you're trying to decide between Pouncey at center and Smith at guard or Satele at center and Pouncey at guard you're really only talking about a difference of maybe 2 or 3 sacks one way or the other on the season.
 
Why do so many only consider sacks, and not the hits and hurries? All pressures disrupt what a QB can do. They do matter a lot.
 
I agree so give us the stats on those for the first 4 games and let's compare them if you have time.

Funny thing is last year after 4 games we were 3 and 1 even with that line. Maybe our little buddy who's gone now was right about them not correlating with the QB or teams performance ?
 
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