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This is the draft I would like to see and I would say after 2 years we would have 4 or maybe even 5 starters out of this potential draft.

What would you guys say?

1) Jake Long OL
2a) Brian Brohm QB
2b) Antone Cason or Tracy Porter both CB's
3) John Carlson
4) Jonothan Goff LB
6) Darius Reynaud WR
7) Ben Moffitt LB
 
long, cason, carlson so 3 potenetial starters with brohm being a good back up to beck
 
Definitely 3 . . . with Brohm being a possible 4th in the future.

I'm not to sure of drafting a QB so early with Beck on the team . . . . but I REALLLY like Brian Brohm . . . and tho I think he will be gone well before we pick in round 2 . . . . if he were to fall, u have to consider him . . . kid has potential
 
If BP thinks anything of Beck dont expect a QB in the 2nd Round. Why waste that pick when you have one on the team.
 
This is the draft I would like to see and I would say after 2 years we would have 4 or maybe even 5 starters out of this potential draft.

What would you guys say?

1) Jake Long OL
2a) Brian Brohm QB
2b) Antone Cason or Tracy Porter both CB's
3) John Carlson
4) Jonothan Goff LB
6) Darius Reynaud WR
7) Ben Moffitt LB

Wow, that would be an utterly fantastic draft. If we bagged that draft I think I'd soil my drawers I'd be so happy. :D

I'd say 4 or 5 starters. Long, Cason/Porter, and Carlson are instant starters. Brohm could easily be a starter before the year ends. I'm not as high on Goff as most people are, but I do think Ben Moffitt is going to surprise some people when they put the pads on and start hitting. So, one of those two LB's has a chance to be the 5th.

Your draft is very much in step with who I think would be the best prospects at those slots. I'd take Brohm, but I doubt he'll be there. I'm secretly hoping Cason or Porter slide to 2b, because either is an absolute steal. Porter is my favorite, but Cason is probably more of the Parcells type.

The Dolphins may go TE in round 3, and if so Carlson will likely be there, so if he's their guy they'll probably have to burn the 3rd rounder to get him. But, I have them slotted to grat a TE in rounds 3 or (more likely) 4, where some decent prospects will still be available, maybe one of Carlson or Jermichael Finley who are my two favorite TE's in this draft.

Overall, your draft would make me a very very very happy Dolfan. :up:
 
It just so dangerous to go down the starter road in the draft because then you are setting it up to a bust is those players so not live up to those expectations the first year.
 
Well you're right Phintim, you cannot really slate draft picks as starters, but you need to project. After all, the entire reason we draft is to acquire players who will help us on the field, so we're projecting players that we think/hope can play for us--and at a high level.

The first 2 rounds are expected to become starters; maybe not in their rookie season, but soon. Rounds 3 and 4 are guys you think have the ability to be starters, but usually have a negative drawback or concern, such as injuries, lack of speed, raw technique, low competition, or character issues. Those are more iffy projections. By the time you get to rounds 5 through 7, all bets are off. Instead of dropping because of weaknesses, instead you're looking for anybody that has some potential, be it as a special teamer, rare speed but inferior football talent, slow but strong, etc.

Ultimately, the draft process is only part of the puzzle. Today, Free Agency can do two things, 1) legitimately bring in good players, and 2) caulk holes. By "caulk" I mean it's like you get a hole in your wall from the doorknob breaking the drywall. You can slap some caulking in it and paint over it ... it fills the hole, but it's just not the same thing as a new wall. It might hold up, it might not, but you'll just not be sure until it's dried. ;)

FA's tend to be much higher priced for the legitimately good players, so that busts your salary cap if you use it more than selectively. Caulking is fine, but you can't build a solid wall with just caulking, you need players with talent to make the wall stand up. The Draft is the most effective and cheapest way to obtain talent. Sure, the 1st rounders are overpriced and the Top 10 are insanely overpriced, but all in all, the Draft is the best method to build the team's core.

We can't be certain how many starters any draft will produce, but we must project some so we know how to address the talent problem. If we were to land the OP's draft, I think we'd have ourselves some definite NFL-ready starters. Hell, I think any CB drafted this year has a good chance to start in our secondary. When your best TE's are Peele and Ryan ... the standards for becoming a starter are mighty low, LOL. I also think that if we draft an OL in the first round, there's more than plenty of places for him to start. Heck, McCown isn't exactly a sure-fire starter, and a rookie competing with a 2nd year pro who didn't prove anything the season before, I'd say that's a fair chance as well.

Build through the draft. I expect us to have a very high draft position next draft as well, but it'll take 3 good drafts to put us back squarely in the playoffs. Luckily, I consider our 2007 draft to be 1 good draft, bringing us Satele, Booker, a potential starting QB in Beck, and a potentially great field-stretching receiver in Ginn. I was and am high on Soliai, but he's showed nothing thus far. Hopefully Parcells can bring out the beast in him.
 
While I agree with you Digital to the degree on what should happen I have also been reviewing Bill Parcells past drafts and he has he has missed a bit in those first few rounds more than is comfortable but he also has hit in the later rounds too. Mueller was more of a hit in the first few rounds and missed our more in the later rounds for example.
Yet I will go along with the game and have because it is fun. I am expecting us to draft Chris Long first, along with no starting OL on the current roster, plus Bills love of drafting TEs early, and with what I feel is a need at our CB position in a draft class that is deep at that position thus I project us picking in the first four rounds pretty much in this order. DE, OT, CB, G and TE.
We need to pick the best player in this draft if we are smart with the overall #1 pick which if you couple that with Bills desire to pick the LB position first in his drafts which is what Chris Long can become then it is a no brainer he is the pick. Taking into consideration we have no OL and OT's go fast and early in the draft with this draft being deep at that position but not so deep you can gamble past our 1st 2nd overall pick so that goes for a starting OT, as far saying that a CB will be our 3rd overall pick well that is my perspective. This draft is deep in starting CB's but not so deep that you will get one past the end of the 2nd round. The need for a starting guard is as great the OT position but guards slide further in the draft and a good one should be available at the beginning of the 3rd. TE's usually slide a little further than guards so there you are.
Now as far as my projection really happeing etc well I do not see the Dolphins working out that many CB's in this draft so far so maybe they are happier with our roster than I am. I also expect that guard and TE positions could switch out as far as who is picked in what round with the TE being picked 3rd and the guard in the 4th plus the fact that Parcells covets and picks TE's higher in his past drafts than guards.
My projection is all based on a need draft (except for the #1 pick )instead of a best player available draft. I loathe a need draft and love the best player available draft.
In the latter it is very hard to determine who is going to be picked unless you can target players whom are going to fall in a draft then you might have an idea. If they do not fall you have to be willing to trade backwards until you find that situation. Jimmy Johnson always did this and would even trade up if a player was really falling down the boards but mainly he just accumlated more picks assuming some would stick in a numbers game. Which is why I said earlier it is hard to project a draft in the first place it is a numbers game.
 
I sort of have the same belief as you Phintim. I see us picking the best player for our system at #1 overall if we cannot trade down. Talent over need for the most part, but a little of both. I'm expecting Jake Long, but I certainly wouldn't be surprised if Parcells stayed true to form and drafted a pass rusher (C. Long or Gholston).

After that, I think we'll pick up a lineman in the 2nd round if we haven't picked him up in the 1st round. I agree that this draft is absolutely loaded with good CB's, and even at 2b we can probably get a high quality starter. I've been hoping we'll get Tracy Porter of Indiana, but Cason would be just fine by me too. I'd rather get someone who is good at coverage now as opposed to burning a first day pick on an athletic project like Lee of Auburn or King of Penn St.

I also agree that we'll probably address G and TE with picks in the 3rd and 4th rounds, although I'm not sure what order. There are a lot of T's that will make solid G's in this draft that will be available in the 3rd, so I see us probably grabbing one there. This draft is very deep at TE with good prospects, so if we don't grab one in the 3rd, I think there may be 1 good one still available at the top of the 4th. My fingers are crossed for Jermichael Finley or John Carlson. With Everyone favoring a different TE, and guys like Davis and Cottam blowing up at the combine, I do think there will be a good one available at the top of the 4th.

Personally, I'd like another 2nd and 4th round pick, because there's going to be a lot of talent in those rounds for us to choose another CB, DT, TE, or G. The talk of a Jason Taylor trade for a 2nd and 4th sounds very good to me, despite me being a huge Taylor fan. But let's face it, we're in full rebuilding mode, and even with Taylor, we're not going to make the playoffs. All Taylor is going to really accomplish is training his successor and putting fans in the seats for our owners.

BTW, lots of good analysis in this thread, thanks. :hi5:
 
Digital JT is a game changer regardless of his age you just do not find those types of guys. Taylor really is worth a 1st and more but a 2nd and 3rd in a worst case trade. Yes we need to go young and JT deserves a chance somewhere esle to win but the treating of these draft picks like they are gold in return for a player that is truly golden I just have a hard time going along with. IMO we will trade Taylor probably for what you just outlined but I will take production over possible potential any day of the week and that is what we are really talking about. Bill Parcells has won thinking the other way but maybe he could win more if he looked a little deeper. Think Wes Welker leading the NFL in catches a undrafted player who is too small but tough as nails!
 
I guess here's my fundamental viewpoint of it. Taylor is truly golden ... but he's not golden for us, because we dont' have enough talent around him to make a difference. I'm the kind of guy who wants to compete for a Super Bowl, and I can live with rebuilding, and watch a rebuilding team and be happy. What frustrates me is the Playoff Treadmill, like we had with Wanny, we were always good enough to make the playoff, but we were never good enough to compete for a spot in the Super Bowl.

My greatest fear with Parcells isn't that he's going to fail or even be slow to make us competitive again, but rather that he's going to make us a playoff treadmill team with no real shot at a Super Bowl. I don't want to be decent, or even pretty good, I want to be either GREAT or working towards great.

So, for me, I definitely see Taylor as golden and a difference maker, just not for the 2008 Dolphins, or the 2009 Dolphins. :( With that in mind, I'd rather move forward with using these next two putrid seasons to develop guys who can legitimately help us reach the elite. I honestly think the 2nd round is truly excellent for prospects at CB, TE, G and maybe even DL. While Taylor is only going to put people in seats for a bad Dolphins team, a 2nd rounder might be a very good player in 2 or 3 years. Similarly, I think the 4th round can add a player who may well start in time.

We need a massive infusion of a specific kind of talent to play Parcells' system. No better time to get it than year 1 of his rebuilding project IMHO.

I've been a huge Taylor fan since his first game. He blew me away with his quickness and tenacity. He has a truly elite speed and quickness and is an a fantastic long frame and arms. Couple those things with his extremly high motor and you've got the makings of a true monster, and I've been predicting great things for him since his first game. He's my favorite Dolphin LB ever, and that's saying a lot. Still, I'm first and foremost a Dolphins fan, and I want what's best for the team to succeed. Because I don't see success coming in 2008 or 2009, I'm interested in building for 2010 and beyond. Different viewpoints, but we definitely agree on Taylor being a difference maker.
 
Would much rather have a starter with our top 2nd round pick instead of another unproven QB.
 
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