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How many would have canned Dalton or Newton after last year?

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The 2014 season was Andy Dalton's 4th year in the NFL, and while many people expected it would be the year that he solidified himself as a top QA in the NFL, he instead looked awful (Bad News Bears like at times). Dalton threw only two more TDs (19) than INTs (17) and finished with a pedestrian QB rating of 83.5. The Bengals did manage to finish 10-5 but that was mostly due to defense. The reality was that after 3 years of SLOW progression, Dalton had regressed, badly. People said the experiment was over, it was time to move on.

Its a good thing there were people who still believed in Dalton because in 2015 (his 5th year), he has become the QB all his supporters had hoped he would. With 25 TDs, only 6 INTs and a league leading 107.4 QB rating, he's like a completely different QB.

Likewise, the 2014 season was Cam Newton's 4th year as a pro. Like Dalton, he experienced 3 years of slow progression only to regress in his 4th. He couldn't read defenses, he was highly inaccurate and hated by his own offensive line. He finished with 18 TDs and 12 INTs and an even less impressive 82.1 QB Rating. Living in Charlotte, I can tell you people were DONE with Cam. Lifelong fans IN MY OFFICE wanted him gone. Called him a bust. If the Panthers hadn't been in the worst division in football and made the playoffs at 7-9, he and Rivera (most likely Rivera) might not even be with the team anymore.

Fast forward to 2015 and people are talking about Cam for MVP. He's racked up 25 TDs only 10 INTs and a much more respectable rating of 93.2. While he still has major accuracy issues, he's not throwing picks and his legs are making up for it. Again, good thing they didn't listen to those who wanted to kick Cam to the curb...

2015 is Ryan Tannehill's 4th year as a pro. Just like the other two, he's regressed, although not as bad. So far he's at 21 TDs and 11 INTs with a QB rating of 88.3 ... Which is better than either Newton OR Dalton in their 4th year. And it's not just about stats. If you watched Dalton or Newton play last year, they looked awful... at some times lost and other times completely inept. So before you decide to give up on RT, consider where these other top QBs from this year were last year.
 
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get your level headedness out of here. i want a superbowl and i want it NOW

not to mention tannehill doesnt have IT!!!

we NEED....IT!!!!!!!!!
 
Penthos said:
The 2014 season Andy Dalton's 4th year in the NFL, and while many people expected it would be the year that he solidified himself as a top QA in the NFL, he instead looked awful (Bad News Bears like at times). Dalton threw only two more TDs (19) than INTs (17) and finished with a pedestrian QB rating of 83.5. The Bengals did manage to finish 10-5 but that was mostly due to defense. The reality was that after 3 years of SLOW progression, Dalton had regressed, badly. People said the experiment was over, it was time to move on.

Its a good thing there were people who still believed in Dalton because in 2015 (his 5th year), he has become the QB all his supporters had hoped he would. With 25 TDs, only 6 INTs and a league leading 107.4 QB rating, he's like a completely different QB.

Likewise, the 2014 season was Cam Newton's 4th year as a pro. Like Dalton, he experienced 3 years of slow progression only to regress in his 4th. He couldn't read defenses, he was highly inaccurate and hated by his own offensive line. He finished with 18 TDs and 12 INTs and an even less impressive 82.1 QB Rating. Living in Charlotte, I can tell you people were DONE with Cam. Lifelong fans IN MY OFFICE wanted him gone. Called him a bust. If the Panthers hadn't been in the worst division in football and made the playoffs at 7-9, people would he and Rivera (most likely Rivera) might not even be with the team anymore.

Fast forward to 2015 and people are talking about Cam for MVP. He's racked up 25 TDs only 10 INTs and a much more respectable rating of 93.2. While he still has major accuracy issues, he's not throwing picks and his legs are making up for it. Again, good thing they didn't listen to those who wanted to kick Cam to the curb...

2015 is Ryan Tannehill's 4th year as a pro. Just like the other two, he's regressed, although not as bad. So far he's at 21 TDs and 11 INTs with a QB rating of 88.3 ... Which is better than either Newton OR Dalton in their 4th year. And it's not just about stats. If you watched Dalton or Newton play last year, they looked awful... at some times lost and other time completely inept. So before you decide to give up on RT, consider where these other top QBs from this year were last year.
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Ryan Tannehill has all the tools to be a great quarterback but he doesn't know how to properly use it. His lack of awareness is alarming. He holds the ball way too long as he should know the oline is trash and should get rid of the ball in less than 3 seconds. If no one is open, escape the pocket and throw it away. He doesn't use his feet as often as we would hope. Hell even ryan Fitzpatrick knows when to run. I been a tannehill supporter since day one, but i feel like he is not going to get any better, even with a new coach and coordinator. It seems when it comes down to crunch time, he chokes and throws a bad pick or take a sack. He rarely shows any kind of emotion which bothers me because he seems content with losing. I feel like he will be a backup somewhere down the line, and probably not with Miami. I was really rooting for kid because we all know how bad miami qbs have been since marino retired (except pennington of course), but 4 years and no playoff appearances is nail in the coffin for me.
 
Tannehill's progression next year is going to be all about coaching and blocking. If we can land a QB guru like Sean Payton and a couple of decent interior offensive linemen then I'd almost guarantee Tanny has a huge 2016.
It's not even like Tannehill is playing badly. The kid has a 2-1 TD-INT ratio and he's probably going to throw for 4k yards again. The production from the QB is there, but it obviously could be better. The real problems with this team lie in the play calling, blocking and atrocious defense. Against the Jets and Bills for example, Tannehill could have played perfectly and it wouldn't have mattered. We allowed an average of 34 points per game in those 4 games vs those pedestrian ass offenses... My hope is that we can find 2 solid guards in FA and then load up on defense in the draft every damn round.
LB, DE, CB, FS come on down...
 
Hmmm OP clearly wants to compare and contrast the difficulties two QBs had last year Vs the difficulties Tannehill is having this year, and yet, no one so far has even bothered to even put an ounce of real thought into the subject, rather I see the same tired one -liners. sigh.

I probably would've canned Cam, because other than his rookie year (which was one of the best in history) he hasn't shown much in the way of running a pro style offense, and in fact his style of play is still most likely to lead to an injury shortened career, unless he learns to play randall Cunningham in his later years.

As for Dalton, I still believe that's fools gold and the playoffs will prove it one way or the other.
 
But to answer the question, I may have given up on Dalton after last season, not Newton.
Tannehill is above average, the team he plays for is awfully run and all around terrible. What's the real issue here?
 
I bet if you did a poll 95% wouldn't trade Tannehill for Dalton straight up even now. Newton would get a few more takers, I would guess about 80%-ish would not make the trade.
 
I'm not convinced that Andy Dalton and Cam Newton are permanently elite QBs. It may turn out that they have 10 bad years, and 1 good year, and that 1 good year is this year.

I mean, you might as well throw veteran bench warmer Tyrod Taylor into the mix, and ask how many people would have given up on him last year.
 
OP makes very valid points.

His Newton take is 100% true. People were done with him. Hell Dalton was the joke among the NFL community more so than Newton.

Now there the creme of the crop. Funny how it works.
 
Phinatic8u said:
OP makes very valid points.

His Newton take is 100% true. People were done with him. Hell Dalton was the joke among the NFL community more so than Newton.

Now there the creme of the crop. Funny how it works.
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I would say that Tyrod Taylor's transformation has been more dramatic.
 
Wildbill3 said:
Hmmm OP clearly wants to compare and contrast the difficulties two QBs had last year Vs the difficulties Tannehill is having this year, and yet, no one so far has even bothered to even put an ounce of real thought into the subject, rather I see the same tired one -liners. sigh.

I probably would've canned Cam, because other than his rookie year (which was one of the best in history) he hasn't shown much in the way of running a pro style offense, and in fact his style of play is still most likely to lead to an injury shortened career, unless he learns to play randall Cunningham in his later years.

As for Dalton, I still believe that's fools gold and the playoffs will prove it one way or the other.
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This is exactly how I feel as well.
 
I would've gotten some competition for both as I believe we should do for Tannehill. However both guys have flashed more than Tannehill in college and the pros up until their 4th year imo.
 
None of this means Tannehill is an above average QB. Not to mention both of the QBs u mention have had some resemblance of success prior to this year.

4th Quarter and 3rd down Tannehill is ****ing trash.
 
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