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Interesting stuff. Here's an excerpt from a pretty lengthy article:

First, I think it is imperative that we are able to get pressure on the quarterback with four guys. Three would be nice, but four is realistic. And the pressure needs to come from different directions, so whether you are blitzing Will Allen, or Bell, or Roth or Porter or Crowder, you need to be able to disguise it and keep the QB off balance. Without that pressure, our Secondary won't be able to effectively cover dynamic deep threat duos like Moss-Gaffney, Cotchery-Coles, Boldin-Fitz. The pressure needs to force the opposing QBs into quick decisions and shorter throws. Keep everything underneath.


Miami did not do this very well yesterday. Cassel had too much time to throw, and never seemed to get taken out of his rhythm. The key to Miami's success here will be better play calling than we saw Sunday. Rotate player assignments more frequently, bring more blitz packages and disguise them.
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Here's the link if you want to read more.



Then tell us...how do you think the Fins should fix this problem? cus you know other teams are going to copy what NE did against us.
 
JonnyZ81 said:
Interesting stuff. Here's an excerpt from a pretty lengthy article:




Here's the link if you want to read more.



Then tell us...how do you think the Fins should fix this problem? cus you know other teams are going to copy what NE did against us.
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Wrong!!! Other teams do not have the personel to do this. You have to have a great OL and a moblie QB to even attempt this or you will be going through QBs like Oprah going through a box of chocolate chip cookies.
The reason the redgun offense died out is teams started having to admit they couldn't cover all the WRs so they decided to just sit back and play deep zone giving up 1st downs while at the same time sending everyone not in the zone out to kill the QB. QBs didn't last too long. No team in the league can stop what the pats were doing yesterday. Not when the QB is playing mistake free football. People were down on our defense but they actually played pretty well. The only thing that was even close to being bad was the pass rush.
Bottom line is with the rules the way the are today it isn't a bad idea to bring back the redgun offense b/c if you hit the QB too hard they will throw a flag today.
 
JonnyZ81 said:
Interesting stuff. Here's an excerpt from a pretty lengthy article:




Here's the link if you want to read more.



Then tell us...how do you think the Fins should fix this problem? cus you know other teams are going to copy what NE did against us.
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Actually, it was the Pats who did the copying. Accoding to Mandich, it was obvious that BB studied film from the Texans and Cardinals games
 
KTOWNFINFAN said:
Wrong!!! Other teams do not have the personel to do this. You have to have a great OL and a moblie QB to even attempt this or you will be going through QBs like Oprah going through a box of chocolate chip cookies.
The reason the redgun offense died out is teams started having to admit they couldn't cover all the WRs so they decided to just sit back and play deep zone giving up 1st downs while at the same time sending everyone not in the zone out to kill the QB. QBs didn't last too long. No team in the league can stop what the pats were doing yesterday. Not when the QB is playing mistake free football. People were down on our defense but they actually played pretty well. The only thing that was even close to being bad was the pass rush.
Bottom line is with the rules the way the are today it isn't a bad idea to bring back the redgun offense b/c if you hit the QB too hard they will throw a flag today.
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As with most games you can read too much into a win and too much into a loss.
The defense didn't have their best day, but the Pats played the best they have played all yr. The WR's were making tough catches and everything seemed to go their way when plays broke down.
The Packers have a pretty decent defense and they gave up over 50 pts last night to the Saints. That's life in the NFL.
Half of Welker's yardage came on a busted play when the DB slipped and fell down. It was just one of those days.
 
If we went 4 and 5 wide the whole game Pennington numbers would be ridiculous also. The problem is you put the your defense on the field too much and if it is snowy or raining it makes it much harder to run. Actually at this point in time and given our current crops of receiver it would make for us a lot more dynamic offense and put more points on the board. I wouldn't mind seeing Ginn, Bess, London, Fasano, Williams/Brown spread out. Defenses can't stop it unless you pressure the qb from the front.
 
You stop a spread offence by covering man and blitzing more as their is no threat of a RUN. its a good way to kill a QB.No one runs it unless you catch a defence with wrong personal. the dolphin never went to the nickel or dime packages so you can go no huddle and do some damage.
if say you go nickel and dime you run a reason NE is no 7 in rushing. if say steelers go into nickel and dime look for NE to run against the light box all day. so their is no way to cover unless you have a great ILB speed and corners to cover.
On a offesive side if you play shotgun with no RB or TE against dime you are now going to see speed rushering safety and corners which is a sure way to kill a drive.
 
The pats knew how long they could get away with holding the ball to find a receiver, this was obvious watching early in the game. The DL was getting close but you just can't get there that fast. Good plan by the Cheatriots, who I despise. It might have helped if we covered closer in the first quarter, although you leave yourself open to the BIG play and it's game over early. In light of the circumstanses we did OK, not great in having a chance to be ther in the end. The two TO's killed us in the second half.
 
You go after Moss' knees. You may get a few penalties, but after you break his ligaments, you solve the problem.
 
Pretty funny how you guys make claims on how to properly defend the spread when you need the proper talent to beat even better talent.
 
There are a lot of good points. The only one not covered is a versatile LB can lineup on the slot and get a huge check. Little receivers do not handle 20 hard checks a game. Welker might but I am not sure that he is tough enough.

My recommendation would be to move Y. Bell up on a receiver like Gaffney. Randy Moss is too big for this approach to work. Every play he just rocks Gaffney right off the line of scrimage. Line him up a foot off the ball. The obvious counter is to put Gaffney in motion. Y Bell should follow and lag. The onside linebacker adjust for the slant, and Y. Bell blitzes off the motion. That is one unhappy QB. This hopefully forces the offense to do one of three things: abandon the spread offense, put Gaffney in motion all the way accross the formation, or run the ball. Given how badly we were lit up, all of these are wins.
 
Collapse the pocket with four guys...................
 
I think you need some creativity and trickery on defense to stop the spread. For example: show blitz, make it look like Welker or whoever is man to man then drop somebody back to double cover him underneath and go for the pick.
 
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