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How will Pat White be activated on game day

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The depth chart says that Chad Pennington's the starter and Chad Henne is his back-up. Pat White is running third.

But White's value to the team goes beyond that of a traditional clipboard holder. Henning no doubt is planning to use him extensively in Wildcat V2.0. But the only two ways they can do that would be to:

1) Activate three quarterbacks for the game, thus losing a body at another position, or
2) Designate Henne as the emergency quarterback.

Just looking at this post on phins.com and have not seen a lot hashed out about this lately. Just wonder what input would out there on the forum on this subject.

I will also throw out the question is it an NFL rule you have to have 3 listed Qb's?
 
Im guessing they are going to list P. White as backup. And Henne as Emergency.

If penny happens to go down then they will most likely bring in Henne and play very conservative Football for teh remainder of that game.

Then Open it back up the following week with Henne starting and White Backup.

or.........

Leave 1 active roster spot open at another position and just list all 3 qbs as active
Chubbs
 
If I had to guess I'd say they just leave all 3 QB's active. You're not really losing a body at another position byt doing this with Pat White. Teams normally do that because their 3rd QB will only play in just that... an Emergency, meaning their first two QB's get injured. If every team had a 3rd string QB who was going to play and contribute in most games then they'd all keep 3 qb's active.
 
it's too much risk declaring Henne the emergency QB. just imagine, and god forbid if it ever happens, Pennington gets hurt early. do you play an unproven White? do you put in Henne, who gives you a better chance to win, at the risk of running out of QBs if he in turn gets hurt?


if White is to have a role in that offense you have to put him on the 45-man roster alongside Pennington and Henne IMO. i wouldn't be comfortable playing White an extended amount of time.
 
greasyObnoxious said:
it's too much risk declaring Henne the emergency QB. just imagine, and god forbid if it ever happens, Pennington gets hurt early. do you play an unproven White? do you put in Henne, who gives you a better chance to win, at the risk of running out of QBs if he in turn gets hurt?


if White is to have a role in that offense you have to put him on the 45-man roster alongside Pennington and Henne IMO. i wouldn't be comfortable playing White an extended amount of time.
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On a side note, I was under the impression that if the emergency QB got injured you could bring back one of the other 2 QB's? I thought I read that somewhere, I mean they're not going to make you forfeit if you run out of QB's and I don't think you'd have to just play someone else at the position, although if that did happen then expect Ronnie Brown back there and for us to run the wildcat the rest of the game lol.
 
It will be interesting to see what the Phins do about this. The Eagles have the same problem now with Vick.

I would have to agree with keeping White on the 45 man gameday roster, though I'm not sure who they should deactivate in his place.
 
Teams are only allowed to dress 45 players. They are allowed a "46th" player if he is listed as a 3rd QB, thus an emergency QB. This player cannot be used before the start of the 4th quarter, but if he is used before that then neither the starting or 2nd QB can re-enter the game.
If White is to be used regularly, he'll have to be part of the normal 45 players. But in doing so, you take a player away from some other team. Do you want one less player on defense? Special teams? Offense?
So you see, its a balancing act dependent upon your game plan for the day.

But you also must be aware of the contract for the player. Most contracts have incentives put into them. If you put White out as a RB or WR, but his contract is that of a QB with QB incentives, he now has a valid claim that the team prevented him from reaching certain incentives, etc.
Its a fine line.
 
IceStorm said:
Teams are only allowed to dress 45 players. They are allowed a "46th" player if he is listed as a 3rd QB, thus an emergency QB. This player cannot be used before the start of the 4th quarter, but if he is used before that then neither the starting or 2nd QB can re-enter the game.
If White is to be used regularly, he'll have to be part of the normal 45 players. But in doing so, you take a player away from some other team. Do you want one less player on defense? Special teams? Offense?
So you see, its a balancing act dependent upon your game plan for the day.

But you also must be aware of the contract for the player. Most contracts have incentives put into them. If you put White out as a RB or WR, but his contract is that of a QB with QB incentives, he now has a valid claim that the team prevented him from reaching certain incentives, etc.
Its a fine line.
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Good Post Ice, One point I would like to add is: I would love to find the wording on Pat Whites Contract. I am sure we would have a perfect idea of exactly how the fins plan to use him.

Is it a standard QB contract with QB incentives or does it look closer to a running backs incentive contract?
Chubbs
 
so....

if we are to activate all 3 QB's....who do we not activate?

no clear answer...but I did some quick research into how many we activated at each position last season, and it varied a lot from game to game....on offense. Defense though was pretty consistent. I randomly chose 4 games (weeks 1, 5, 10, 17) and here's how it broke down (active/inactive)

QB
2/1, 2/1, 2/1, 2/1

RB
4/1, 4/0, 5/0, 4/0

WR
5/1, 5/1, 4/1, 3/1

TE
3/0, 2/1, 2/1, 3/0

OL
7/2, 7/3, 7/3, 7/2

DL
6/2, 6/2, 6/2, 6/2

LB
7/0, 7/0, 7/0, 8/2

DB
8/1, 9/0, 9/0, 9/0

ST
3/0, 3/0, 3/0, 3/0

things that stood out to me: We don't necessarily have to field as many on offense as on defense....week 1 was a 21/21 split (w/ 3 ST)....but that was at 20/22 weeks 5 and 10, and 19/23 week 17. So if we activate 3 QB's....figure on sacraficing an offensive player for sure.

O-line (7) and D-line (6) seemed pretty consistent.

If a linebacker or DB make the 53-man roster....figure on them being active on gamedays....of the 4 games I checked...only 1 DB (week1) and 2 LB (week17) were inactive.
 
Cus there aren't a 1 million threads about this already, right?

Sheesh....
 
JonnyZ81 said:
Cus there aren't a 1 million threads about this already, right?

Sheesh....
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it's a shame that you were tricked into clicking on this thread by the misleading title!! Oh wait....that's right you weren't...you knew exactly what was being discussed when you clicked on it.

so...someone must have forced you to click on it......:confused:
 
Well the backup activated QB is usually non player anyway so if White can play then we are not loosing a player if Henne is listed as the #3 QB. If White is listed as a WR and we list just 2 QB's does he still have to come off the field if Pennington gets hurt?
 
phintim said:
Well the backup activated QB is usually non player anyway so if White can play then we are not loosing a player if Henne is listed as the #3 QB. If White is listed as a WR and we list just 2 QB's does he still have to come off the field if Pennington gets hurt?
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active QB vs active WR for White makes zero difference.

It just matters if we designate someone the #3 emergency QB (46th dressed player)
 
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