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http://www.sun-sentinel.com/sports/...ar28,0,5123714.story?coll=sfla-dolphins-front

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Just wanted to know my FH brothers take on Wayne's comments. You think he'll really call Chris Chambers? You think his statements on getting rookies into camp on time with be fruitful? Could it backfire??

I was taken aback by his strong comments on the players "making a LOT of money" and the union won big. Where will we come up with 10 million??

Thoughts?
 
I like it, as long as he's on the same page with Saban. I'm sure Ronnie Brown is thinking "oops" right now. :D
 
Good read. I actually like the stance taken by Huizenga and Saban on draft picks reporting on time. Each day they are late, take more money off the table. Eventually they will realize what is happening and either fire their agent or get their butt to camp.

Ronnie should have been in after two weeks but we started our training camp early due to having an extra game last year. I figure Nick won't let that happen again. It is good to see the owner backing him on that.
 
I really like Wayne. Everyone talks about Bob Kraft being the best owner in football, and I agree he's very good, but Wayne is definitely up there. The fact that he trusts the man he hired, he likes his players and supports them and he is big on extending good will towards the fans really says a lot about him. That was a good article to read. Makes you feel good about the direction we're headed.
 
NatCyn said:
I really like Wayne. Everyone talks about Bob Kraft being the best owner in football, and I agree he's very good, but Wayne is definitely up there. The fact that he trusts the man he hired, he likes his players and supports them and he is big on extending good will towards the fans really says a lot about him. That was a good article to read. Makes you feel good about the direction we're headed.
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I like him as well, I work for him. But I know he's got a bit of a short fuse when it comes to getting what he wants. I'm just slightly concerned about what happens if there is a holdout. He might turn into InFINsible's avatar!
 
Yeah what he said was fine with me and I agree with him on the most part. You have to love that your owner is willing to do anything to win.
 
Samphin said:
Good read. I actually like the stance taken by Huizenga and Saban on draft picks reporting on time. Each day they are late, take more money off the table. Eventually they will realize what is happening and either fire their agent or get their butt to camp.

Ronnie should have been in after two weeks but we started our training camp early due to having an extra game last year. I figure Nick won't let that happen again. It is good to see the owner backing him on that.
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Thats what SD did with Rivers and it didnt work out so well. Rivers basiclly just sat and waited until they finally singed him to a very good deal.
 
Canadianfishfan said:
i hardly see a 16th pick holding out... top 5 maybe
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Great point. Hadn't even thought of that. Okay, mind is at ease, sick 'em H.
 
greatwade said:
http://www.sun-sentinel.com/sports/football/pro/dolphins/sfl-wayne27mar28,0,5123714.story?coll=sfla-dolphins-front

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Just wanted to know my FH brothers take on Wayne's comments. You think he'll really call Chris Chambers? You think his statements on getting rookies into camp on time with be fruitful? Could it backfire??

I was taken aback by his strong comments on the players "making a LOT of money" and the union won big. Where will we come up with 10 million??

Thoughts?
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You would certainly know more about what he meant than I did, so feel free to correct me if you think I'm off target with these thoughts.

1. No hold outs as a goal works both ways. I wonder if part of his statement was a direction to the team. I.E. Don't nickel and dime.

What I'm trying to say is that his statement doesn't have to be read as JUST directed at players. If so, that would have a big chance of not working. Agents aren't going to just give up in negotiations because you don't like hold outs.

But if it is not an admonition as much as it is a philosophy, then it could work. If you say to the agent and player upfront, "Hey, we're not going to hardball or lowball you and in return we want this done on time.", that has worked a lot in other businesses.

It's a matter of BOTH the team and the player agreeing to deal in good faith and not try to extort.

2. As to the union comments... I wouldn't expect him to say anything else, so his comments didn't surprise me. No union negotiation I have ever been involved in ended without the parties involved saying that the other guy got his. The negotiators say that, sure. But not the groups themselves.
 
dolphan117 said:
Thats what SD did with Rivers and it didnt work out so well. Rivers basiclly just sat and waited until they finally singed him to a very good deal.
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Unique situation. Reason being because Rivers and his agent felt that they should have been paid as the number one overall pick and not the number 4, where he was selected. Assuming we don't have a similar situation, the slotting will be for the 16th overall selection and we will know the ballpark figure for that pick. Take it or leave it. If you leave it, it is going to get smaller by the day.
 
You would certainly know more about what he meant than I did, so feel free to correct me if you think I'm off target with these thoughts.

1. No hold outs as a goal works both ways. I wonder if part of his statement was a direction to the team. I.E. Don't nickel and dime.
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He certainly does have a fetish for things first class. But I don't think he's involved at all in the micro management of player $$s, he's not even too concerned with #s coming out of the organization. He used to be, but not so much anymore. So here, I'd say you are slightly off.

What I'm trying to say is that his statement doesn't have to be read as JUST directed at players. If so, that would have a big chance of not working. Agents aren't going to just give up in negotiations because you don't like hold outs.

But if it is not an admonition as much as it is a philosophy, then it could work. If you say to the agent and player upfront, "Hey, we're not going to hardball or lowball you and in return we want this done on time.", that has worked a lot in other businesses.

It's a matter of BOTH the team and the player agreeing to deal in good faith and not try to extort.
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I think its we want this done on time, whether or not we lowball/hardball you, unfortunately-maybe.

2. As to the union comments... I wouldn't expect him to say anything else, so his comments didn't surprise me. No union negotiation I have ever been involved in ended without the parties involved saying that the other guy got his. The negotiators say that, sure. But not the groups themselves.
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I geniunely feel he's pissed about the labor gripe. He thinks the players earn plenty, as evidenced by his comment, and should be pleased with what they get. He, maybe more than any other owner (he was a MLB owner, recall) has a healthly fear of a capless league. I really think he's kind of ticked off this was even a possibility.
 
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