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Hyde- 5 Decisions that sunk the Dolphins

I disagree with a lot of it. First, I will never agree that drafting Long over Ryan was a mistake. We got the best LT in the league, but Ryan is far from the best QB in the league. He hasn't won big games, and in my view, he should not have been chosen for the Pro Bowl last year, as Rodgers was more deserving. Ryan is a good NFL QB, but not of the caliber of top guys like Brady, Rodgers, Brees and Rivers. We made the right decision picking Long.

Marshall? Yes, he hasn't lived up to expectations, but it's far fetched to say he's a key reason for the decline. The other mistakes cited were not earth shattering either.

None of the mistakes cited are of the caliber of choosing Culpepper over Brees or letting Welker go to the Pats.
 
walt said:
I disagree with a lot of it. First, I will never agree that drafting Long over Ryan was a mistake. We got the best LT in the league, but Ryan is far from the best QB in the league. He hasn't won big games, and in my view, he should not have been chosen for the Pro Bowl last year, as Rodgers was more deserving. Ryan is a good NFL QB, but not of the caliber of top guys like Brady, Rodgers, Brees and Rivers. We made the right decision picking Long.

Marshall? Yes, he hasn't lived up to expectations, but it's far fetched to say he's a key reason for the decline. The other mistakes cited were not earth shattering either.

None of the mistakes cited are of the caliber of choosing Culpepper over Brees or letting Welker go to the Pats.
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The article focuses a lot more on overall system type mistakes than individual transactions

With Long, he may be the best LT, but Hyde did a good job of proving you dont need a top LT to win by the list he provided

At center, he felt he needed size, and spent so heavily on Grove and Pouncey. Now Pouncey may look like a great prospect at the position, but that type of commitment is better spent on playmakers than lineman.

He made good points about our focus on de, and where that have gotten us- lots of players who could play, but little difference making ability. How we traded away from taking a playmaker in order to trade back and pick another d lineman.

I think this team is way behind in the times in the way the roster is built. Yes, we have gotten some good players out of this philosophy. but without the focus on players, we will never win with a decent d line and some great o line prospects. Get the playmakers, and worry later about building solid lines. Playmakers are the pre req for everything else
 
Hindsight's always 20/20, especially with a QB having perceived flaws. Unlike Luck (or probably Barkley too), currently-melting Matty wasn't the preemptive consensus first pick by a long shot. At this point, should we have taken what turned out to be a good QB although he can't win PO games (nor the conference championship game vs VT) and seems to be regressing this year? Yes, a good QB is valuable. However, the mistake was made 3 years previously in needing a QB and passing on someone who turned out to be the quintessential one in the league! Had we taken Rodgers, all this regurgitated Ice vs Jake discussion and recriminations would have been moot as would have been our contending as Lucksuckers.
 
walt said:
I disagree with a lot of it. First, I will never agree that drafting Long over Ryan was a mistake. We got the best LT in the league, but Ryan is far from the best QB in the league. He hasn't won big games, and in my view, he should not have been chosen for the Pro Bowl last year, as Rodgers was more deserving. Ryan is a good NFL QB, but not of the caliber of top guys like Brady, Rodgers, Brees and Rivers. We made the right decision picking Long.




Marshall? Yes, he hasn't lived up to expectations, but it's far fetched to say he's a key reason for the decline. The other mistakes cited were not earth shattering either.

None of the mistakes cited are of the caliber of choosing Culpepper over Brees or letting Welker go to the Pats.
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comparing the best LT in the game with the best QB in the game is absurd, check out the teams with the two best LT's the browns and Dolphins ....
matt ryan is like 22 -3 at home during the regular season, and ok maybe he has not won the big game but hes got another 10 years or so to accomplish that.

its a little stubborn to not admit that drafting long over ryan was not a mistake even when the acting VP (parcells) admitted it was a mistake.

i mean hell at the time i thought it was not a bad decision but time tells all, and having the best lineman protecting a bunch of incompetent QB's doesn't really help us too much.
 
Disagree totally. The five things that sunk this franchise were in no particular order 1) taking Culpepper over Brees 2) taking Ronnie Brown over Aaron Rodgers 3) having Tony Sparano as our head coach 4) thinking Chad Henne was our future QB 5) thinking Bill Parcells was a competant executive

Drafting who turned out to be the best LT in football is not some franchise killing mistake. Giving up a couple of 2nd rounders for Marshall doesnt cripple a franchise. Usually dont mind Hyde but im not buying was hes selling this time.

We have Brees or Rodgers wearing aqua and white and the franchise looks alot better right now.
 
I'm sorry but I've watched both Matt Ryan and Chad Henne this year, and I think Chad Henne... was playing better than Matt Ryan before he got hurt. And keep in mind that I have no inclination at all to defend the Parcells regime, nor do I believe Chad Henne will ever suit up in a Dolphins uniform again. As Vaark said, Ryan is melting.

Bottom line, the top five reasons this franchise is in trouble right now:

1. Cam Cameron
2. Bill Parcells
3. Bill Parcells
4. Bill Parcells
5. Bill Parcells
 
walt said:
I disagree with a lot of it. First, I will never agree that drafting Long over Ryan was a mistake. We got the best LT in the league, but Ryan is far from the best QB in the league. He hasn't won big games, and in my view, he should not have been chosen for the Pro Bowl last year, as Rodgers was more deserving. Ryan is a good NFL QB, but not of the caliber of top guys like Brady, Rodgers, Brees and Rivers. We made the right decision picking Long.

Marshall? Yes, he hasn't lived up to expectations, but it's far fetched to say he's a key reason for the decline. The other mistakes cited were not earth shattering either.

None of the mistakes cited are of the caliber of choosing Culpepper over Brees or letting Welker go to the Pats.
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Long is not the best tackle in the game he isn't even close this year! It might be injuries or it might be that teams are finally exploiting his weakness the speed rush. Ryan is the real seal and with the exception of Brady is far more accomplished going into his 4th earthen Manning, Brees and Rodgers. Funny how the Henne supporters will line up and say he needs x amount of time or Rodgers didn't win a playoff game until his 5th year and then they turn around and counter their own logic by saying Ryan hasn't won.a playoff game yet. Oh the hypocrisy! Takes a lot more to become a elite QB then it does a elite LT!

Further more look at Greenbay they lose their LT shift the RT to LT and put a rookie in at RT and then proceed to score 25 unanswered points in one of the most hostile road environments in the NFL. They sure as hell didn't do that because tje LT caught fire! They did it because their QB did!

You don't need 5 reasons to define our current state and you sure as hell don't need to go back to one or two failed regimes of the past. The reason is simple Bill Parcells! He built a team destinations to failed based on a expired philosophy and loaded the staff with his good old boy network! It is that simple.
 
ChambersWI said:
well you can also argue that Ryan isn't a top 15 QB this year
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you can, but the point is picking the top line talent over the top playmaker talent is what was the mistake. Playmakers, not lineman, are what wins in todays nfl
 
they really only had one mistake that matters... they never found a franchise QB.. if they had done that they'd still have there jobs after this season.
 
ChambersWI said:
well you can also argue that Ryan isn't a top 15 QB this year
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I can also point out that Tom Brady is the only QB in the modern era that hasn't experienced a off year. Or I can just blame receiver drops, tipped passes and protection problems since it worked for Henne.
 
registeredguy said:
I'm sorry but I've watched both Matt Ryan and Chad Henne this year, and I think Chad Henne... was playing better than Matt Ryan before he got hurt. And keep in mind that I have no inclination at all to defend the Parcells regime, nor do I believe Chad Henne will ever suit up in a Dolphins uniform again. As Vaark said, Ryan is melting.

Bottom line, the top five reasons this franchise is in trouble right now:

1. Cam Cameron
2. Bill Parcells
3. Bill Parcells
4. Bill Parcells
5. Bill Parcells
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I disagree.

Wannstedt, Wannstedt, Parcells, Sparano, Henning
 
Dolphins should have taken Ryan, but I don't know that he would have been the answer. The problem isn't a couple mistakes. It's a lot of mistakes over a long period of time. As Hyde mentions the philosophy is most to blame. We could have survived some of these mistakes if we had not compounded them with other mistakes. If we had taken Earl Thomas and kept Matt Roth maybe this defense wouldn't be so bad. If they had actually got some decent athletic lineman instead of just picking up the fattest ones they could find we might be alright. With a running game and a good defense this team could contend with Henne. They just kept making stupid mistakes and now we are paying the price.
 
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