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Hyde- 5 Decisions that sunk the Dolphins

where's all this matt ryan would have failed in miami stuff come from...it makes no sense...i don't agree with that at all...i don't think we'd be sitting here looking at or begging for the top pick if matt ryan was our qb...not by a long shot...but the guy never shows me special...i'd build my team around him and make him the face of my franchise but special...nope...not yet at least
 
TedSlimmJr said:
You can make a long list of players that aren't nearly as special as their made out to be on here.


1. Jake Long

2. Josh Freeman

3. Sam Bradford

4. Brandon Marshall

5. Cam Wake

6. Sean Smith

7. Vontae Davis

8. Lousaka Polite

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It's a long list....
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so what...what does that have to do with ryan not taking the leap yet
 
hooshoops said:
so what...what does that have to do with ryan not taking the leap yet
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He may never, then again he might. He doesn't lose to Miami though does he?

Either way, it doesn't excuse passing him up for an offensive lineman. Which is the point of the thread, even though we seem to have gotten off topic a bit...
 
TedSlimmJr said:
He may never, then again he might. He doesn't lose to Miami though does he?

Either way, it doesn't excuse passing him up for an offensive lineman. Which is the point of the thread, even though we seem to have gotten off topic a bit...
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well no doubt we screwed up there...i've seen enough evidence the last 3 plus years to say that...i'm numb to us not having a damn franchise qb...no wonder we are always mired in the damn middle results wise
 
CharlieTheTuna said:
I get that a players situation greatly affects his development, but you are just taking it way to far. You really think just switching draft spots between Smith and Rodgers would cause an almost identical swap in career trajectory? Your logic says that the players talent and ability are irrelevant and that environment is the only thing determining success.

Using that same logic, if we drafted Ryan first he would have been in the same ****ty situation that Henne has been in, and thus, would have had the same amount of success thusfar.

You are simultaneously arguing that QB success is determined by the help they have around them, while also saying we should have drafted Ryan at at #1 when we had a team that would have provided no help. I just don't get what the point you are trying to make is.
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So by your logic the fact that while Rodgers has had 1 system his entire career, while getting to sit and learn the game behind one of the best QBs to ever play. While Alex Smith suffered through 5 different OCs and 5 different systems have no bearing on his success vs Rodgers.
 
I have no problem with a writer critisizing a regime for poor draft stretegy... ie building trenches early v. taking play makers... but nit-picking individual picks is not fair.
 
TedSlimmJr said:
You can make a long list of players that aren't nearly as special as their made out to be on here.


1. Jake Long

2. Josh Freeman

3. Sam Bradford

4. Brandon Marshall

5. Cam Wake

6. Sean Smith

7. Vontae Davis

8. Lousaka Polite

......

It's a long list....
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I see some good players on that list. Truth be told, when healthy there are not many better than Jake at LT. Vontae also has potential, he just has to be consistent. But as I said last year, there was a stretch when not many CBs were better than him. Towards the end of the year, and his one game this year don't support that.

And as I said, you will NEVER convince me that not drafting Matt Ryan is the reason we are where we are especially when we have an ELITE player on our hands. Now you CAN convince me that drafting Pat White to be a gimmick player, ignoring the fact that we were 11-5 with an athletic TE to compliment Fasano (who is also better with an athletic TE beside him), constantly reshuffling the OL, not trusting the QB you drafted to run the offense, not taking chances on offense, not drafting a single safety known for ball hawk skills or a pass rushing OLB, and constantly just drafting people who strong but not athletic on both the OL and DL are mistakes.
 
TedSlimmJr said:
You can make a long list of players that aren't nearly as special as their made out to be on here.


1. Jake Long

2. Josh Freeman

3. Sam Bradford

4. Brandon Marshall

5. Cam Wake

6. Sean Smith

7. Vontae Davis

8. Lousaka Polite

......

It's a long list....
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Thank you for putting Sam Bradford in there. I've been trying to tell people that he's terrible and that the Rams aren't going to pass on Luck if they have the #1 pick, but apparently the Finheaven hivemind is absolutely in love with his brilliant 5.9 YPA and noodle arm.
 
registeredguy said:
Thank you for putting Sam Bradford in there. I've been trying to tell people that he's terrible and that the Rams aren't going to pass on Luck if they have the #1 pick, but apparently the Finheaven hivemind is absolutely in love with his brilliant 5.9 YPA and noodle arm.
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yeah...you obviously haven't been watching sam bradford if you think thats the case...sorry but no dice
 
registeredguy said:
Thank you for putting Sam Bradford in there. I've been trying to tell people that he's terrible and that the Rams aren't going to pass on Luck if they have the #1 pick, but apparently the Finheaven hivemind is absolutely in love with his brilliant 5.9 YPA and noodle arm.
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I don't think they will because Bradford is only in his 2nd year with a very young offense and a new offensive system but that's my opinion. They have issues but I don't see Bradford as one of them.

Of course if you want to include me in the "hivemind" go right ahead. Cause having a certain opinion that doesn't agree with the minority is considered hivemind.
 
What does he do that's good? He can't complete 50% of his passes. He doesn't throw the ball very well downfield. He's not decisive in the pocket. He doesn't have accuracy that makes you say "wow, this makes up for the fact that he doesn't throw worth a damn past ten yards." I'm just legitimately curious why people think he's good when he's statistically about the worst QB in the NFL right now and watching him live doesn't really present any mitigating evidence to exonerate him from that.

hooshoops said:
yeah...you obviously haven't been watching sam bradford if you think thats the case...sorry but no dice
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I'd love to see a highlight reel of every great deep out or post Sam Bradford has thrown in the NFL. It'd be about four seconds long.
 
falcons drafted matt ryan and sam baker. we got chad henne and jake long. pick your poison.
 
Why do people continuously talk about how not taking Aaron rodgers #2 overall can be validated as a mistake by our front office...23 other teams did just the same thing...sure now 6 or so years later it looks horrible but there's no one on this board who watched the Aaron rodgers who sported a horrendous mullet his first few years in the league outside of that packer front office and got to see the kid every day in practice who could have said he might eventually become what he is today and even then when he did get run in games he didn't wow you...in 09 when rodgers got a full season of play and lit up the cardinals like a Xmas tree in the postseason you could see this kids arrow was headed straight up....

He'll until I came on here last year during the preseason and started pimping Aaron Rodgers as a likely lead the league in tds candidate and jermichael Finley as a elite te mismatch weapon no one on here was really talking up rodgeRs period...

It's not close to the same thing as when we passed on eventual #3 pick matt Ryan for a left tackle #1 overall...that's a valid could have would have should have...
 
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