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Hyde: Ross certain to pursue both Harbaugh and Gamble (again)

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With Jim Harbaugh anchored as Hope No. 1 as the Dolphins stand on the edge of a coaching search, let's look at what it would take for team owner Steve Ross to land him. The essentials like money (upwards of $8 million) and control of football operations are a given. They wouldn't be obstacles for Steve Ross, who opens his checkbook and isn't interested in meddling.

The prime issue beyond convincing Harbaugh could be convincing Harbaugh's expected choice of a personnel man, Tom Gamble, who is currently the vice president of personnel for Philadelphia. Harbaugh and Gamble worked together in San Francisco and have good respect for each other.

As with Harbaugh, Ross already has made a strong overture to hire Gamble. Last winter, Ross received permission from Philadelphia to interview Gamble for the vacant general manager's job and, "he was going to be a top, top choice,'' a source said.

Gamble initially agreed to the interview, but then pulled out with the thought being family concerns. His father, Harry Gamble, a former Eagles president, was in the final stage of health problems that led to his death last January 28th. Several other candidates had issues with the structure of the job alongside Joe Philbin, thought it's not clear if Gamble's candidacy developed enough that this always was an issue.

Ross certainly knows Gamble would be a preferred choice of Harbaugh. Maybe that played into his thought of interviewing Gamble a year ago. Be clear on this: Gamble is a top talent himself. He helped build San Francisco and Philadelphia's rosters. He also has extensive work in contracts and the salary cap. He even was a coach for two years with the New York Jets in 1995-96 (Just to cover this: Former Jets GM Mike Tannenbaum, who now does work with the Dolphins, didn't join the Jets until 1997.)

Harbaugh and Gamble would answer all the Dolphins problems. Coaching? Personnel? Sizzle to sell tickets? Check. Check. Check.

The question is if Ross can close this deal.
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http://www.sun-sentinel.com/sports/...-on-harbaugh-gamble-again-20141216-story.html

I've stated on multiple occasions that my personal #1 choice for the Dolphins job would be Gus Malzahn, but with Malzahn recently landing Will Muschamp as defensive coordinator at Auburn his focus still seems to be there, which leaves Harbaugh as my first choice (for the record, Rex Ryan is choice #2). And though I've been intrigued by the possibility of making Scot McLoughlan a GM again -- and he'd probably be Harbaugh's first choice, too, given all McCloughlan did to help build that 49ers mini-dynasty -- a recent profile of McClouglan makes it seem that his problems with drinking are far from over.

That leaves Tom Gamble as the surefire top GM candidate available -- an absolute slam dunk of a hire.

But the last sentence I quoted is really the most important. Can Ross close it?
 
this is a win-win-win proposition; Harbaugh/Gamble (to me) means Lazor gets to stay, since he was with Gamble in Philly
 
**** **** damnit ...

Gamble. :angeldevil: Harbaugh

Tom Gamble, awesome. :angeldevil: Harbaugh, ****ing ****.

Gamble is the ultimate equalizer in my hate for Harbaugh.
 
Wait, I thought Ross said he never pursued Harbaugh he was only giving advice that Harbaugh ignored.
 
johngarry said:
this is a win-win-win proposition; Harbaugh/Gamble (to me) means Lazor gets to stay, since he was with Gamble in Philly
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If Gamble has say over who the offensive coordinator is he'd be the first one I've ever heard of who did. That's always the head coach's prerogative.

It would be interesting to see what Harbaugh would do at offensive coordinator. With San Francisco his teams have been "power" running teams -- pulling guards, specific gaps. That was the best fit for guys like Iupati and Davis who were already in the building. Whereas at Stanford I'm about 95% sure they ran a ZBS.

The players we have are more suited to a ZBS. It's what we've been running since Philbin got here, and even the old man of the group -- Mike Pouncey -- is more suited to it than he is to a power scheme. So you'd imagine we would stay with it. After all, that's one of Harbaugh's great strengths as a coach; his schematic flexibility. So it's possible he would keep Lazor. But at the end of the day I tend to doubt it. And that's no biggie to me. I know we're all happier with the offense this year than last but in all honesty the offensive efficiency has not really improved all that much. The Cult of Lazor is a bit like a starving man being given his first taste of real food in a while. It turns out it can actually get better from here.
 
It's funny as hell that Ross really seems to be trying to do things right this time, and yet we're still at the point where we have a coach under contract and everyone on earth knows we desperately want Jim Harbaugh.
 
Sometimes you make a bad decision and settle for someone who just isn't a good fit. I think Ross went with Philbin to become our HC because better candidates didn't want the job. It's like getting with a girl or getting married because you don't want to be alone. It usually turns out bad.
 
He has done everything right in his first year here and he may be shown the door.
 
Incidentally, sign me up for this. Sign me up right now.

On one hand, Dennis Hickey did a fair job this offseason and would be getting a raw deal being blown out with Uncle Joe. On the other hand, he didn't do a great job, and I think he knew the stakes. I empathize with the situation, but an NFL front office isn't your typical job. They make big bucks in a cutthroat performance business. I think the guy will land on his feet, so let's not pump the brakes and wring our hands over the fate of Dennis Hickey.

Ultimately, it's about the Miami Dolphins no longer being an irrelevant laughingstock of a football team. These two moves would give us hope after twenty years of this garbage. These are the two candidates at the top of every wish list for their respective positions right now, and they have the track records of performance to warrant that.
 
J. David Wannyheimer said:
Incidentally, sign me up for this. Sign me up right now.

On one hand, Dennis Hickey did a fair job this offseason and would be getting a raw deal being blown out with Uncle Joe. On the other hand, he didn't do a great job, and I think he knew the stakes. I empathize with the situation, but an NFL front office isn't your typical job. They make big bucks in a cutthroat performance business. I think the guy will land on his feet, so let's not pump the brakes and wring our hands over the fate of Dennis Hickey.

Ultimately, it's about the Miami Dolphins no longer being an irrelevant laughingstock of a football team. These two moves would give us hope after twenty years of this garbage. These are the two candidates at the top of every wish list for their respective positions right now, and they have the track records of performance to warrant that.
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I don't think we know whether Hickey did a great job or not. Personnel moves -- especially draft picks -- take time to grade. I'm sure everyone who wants to declare JuWaun James and Jarvis Landry as "wins" would be preaching caution if either one or both of them had showed poorly this year. I certainly don't see the same people being willing to call Billy Turner a bust.

And they shouldn't. Which is my point. But it's also part of the problem. Either you wait a few years for Dennis Hickey's master plan to unfold and be fully judged... or you decide that a man with a definitively more sparkling resume in Tom Gamble would come in here and be better. My money's on Gamble.

You also have to consider the inevitable fallout of wanting to keep Hickey, which is that you basically have to allow him to hire the coach, either directly or by mandating to any head coaching prospect that he work with Hickey. That's going to shrink the hiring pool, probably into the second tier candidates like Jim Mora, et all. Some would shrug this off with "there's only 32 jobs" nonsense but there's precedence for this right here in River City. If you listen to Mike Lombardi, a long time friend of Harbaugh's, the reason Harbaugh didn't end up taking the Dolphins job originally is because Ross said he would have had to work with Jeff Ireland, who was someone he didn't know. So he balked at the 11th hour. That led to another year of Sparano and then Philbin... a nice handful of wasted years. Let's hope Ross has learned from his mistakes.

You guys want a scenario to fill your loins with blood? Think about Gamble as GM, Harbaugh as coach, and Rex Ryan as DC. It's not unthinkable. Ryan and Harbaugh know each other through John Harbaugh, after all, and Gamble was a top personnel man for the Eagles when Buddy Ryan was the head coach.
 
Harbaugh is so good, give him full control

for once I would love a coach with full power, so that if he rubs a player the wrong way....tough ****

HIT THE BRICKS PAL!!!
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The title of the article is ahead of itself. Hyde and Omar openly admit they haven't talked to Ross yet they know changes are coming? Sorry what am I missing here? This is still pure speculation...
 
If this report is true then Ross is certainly aiming high. But he better ****ing score them this time. Gamble was my number one GM choice last year with Hickey at 2 and intense revulsion at the potential Farmer or Caserio hires. If he sacrifices Hickey in a fruitless pursuit of Gamble and winds up with neither Harbaugh, Gamble, or Hickey then the fallout is toxic, Ross is an unmitigated fool and his incompetence damns this franchise into oblivion until he mercifully sells the team.
 
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