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I feel kinda weird saying this after today….

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But as dumbfounded as I am with today’s loss and the disappointing season as a whole, today left me pumped about Tua and Waddle.

I won’t claim to be a self-appointed football genius, but I’m not a novice either. I’ve been an avid Dolphin and college football fan for over 37 years, played football through high school and have done some coaching at the high school level. I say all of this because I do posses a decent level of football knowledge, and I’ve never seen a Dolphin player as polarizing as Tua currently is. Some Dolphin fans still think he can be a franchise QB, and others don’t think he’s even fit to hold a clipboard.

Considering he was just on the shelf for 3 weeks, still hasn’t had a lot of NFL starts, and is operating with 2 dysfunctional OC’s, I think coming back with 300+ yards and 70% completions was pretty damn encouraging. No it wasn’t perfect, but I really don’t know what else could be expected from the kid at this point. I think I’ve seen enough to determine that he’s never gonna be a top 5 franchise type of QB, but I still think he can be an above average QB who wins you a lot of games if you actually gave him an NFL O-Line, RB, and healthy WR’s.

And while I think Waddle has been used too much in the dink and dunk passing game, it’s obviously a strong part of his game and he looks the part of a top 10 WR pick. I think of him as an OJ Mcduffie with game breaking ability.

We’ve obviously got a TON of problems, but I’d like to see Miami try to at least remedy some of the bad coaching and FO personnel issues we currently have next year while continuing on the path of Tua and Waddle being our offensive cornerstones in 2022. I could be WAY off but I feel the potential is there with these 2.
 
Honestly I’m still nervous about Waddle. If he was a late first round pick I’d be feeling ecstatic, but as a nearly top 5 pick idk.

Still a long ways to go, but he’s had quite a few crucial drops and fumbles. And while certainly fast, I haven’t exactly seen that jaw dropping talent I was hoping for.
 
Jimi said:
Honestly I’m still nervous about Waddle. If he was a late first round pick I’d be feeling ecstatic, but as a nearly top 5 pick idk.

Still a long ways to go, but he’s had quite a few crucial drops and fumbles. And while certainly fast, I haven’t exactly seen that jaw dropping talent I was hoping for.
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Get where he was drafted out of your head, it’s over and water under the bridge. He’s a first year WR who is showing promise. I think he can be a really nice exciting player for us for years to come. And I agree with the OP in that Tua and Waddle may be able to provide us with some stability for years to come. I thought Tua played well today behind the **** show all around him
 
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Today gave me reason to believe that Tua will be here next year while Flores won't be, and I can feel good about that. I think any potential head coach will look at things like what Tua did on the field today and understand because they're football guys just how horrible this team's environment really was. Not that I'm thinking any coach will say "finished product", I'm thinking they'll be like I can take what this guy does well and make him better because I'm not an idiot like Flores and the circus he was running.
 
EasyRider said:
Get where he was drafted out of your heard, it’s over and water under the bridge. He’s a first year WR who is showing promise. I think he can be a really nice exciting player for us for years to come. And I agree with the OP in that Tua and Waddle may be able to provide us with some stability for years to come. I thought Tua played well today behind the **** show all around him
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It’s like saying don’t picture a pink elephant. Not possible. He was picked where he was and will be judged accordingly in terms of whether he is a success for us. He’s broken a couple tackles, but I’ve also seen him go down very easy on others. He’s also not quite as shifty as i thought so far, I’m not seeing him shred a lot of ankles. I am not seeing Tyreek Hill 2.0 which is what he was billed as.

Still quite a long ways to go, certainly not throwing in the towel or anything like that. Just not convinced even one of our more promising picks looks like he was the correct choice. When a guy averaging like 7 yards a catch is the brightest thing you can point to about your future it’s a bad time.

Not putting the loss on Tua but I didn’t walk away overly impressed. Did his job but didn’t show elite traits.
 
EasyRider said:
Get where he was drafted out of your heard, it’s over and water under the bridge. He’s a first year WR who is showing promise. I think he can be a really nice exciting player for us for years to come. And I agree with the OP in that Tua and Waddle may be able to provide us with some stability for years to come. I thought Tua played well today behind the **** show all around him
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Funny to think that people were absolutely fawning over Bowden after some 6 catch 45 yard performances just because he broke a couple tackles on a short pass to get 9 yards instead of 5.

I am a little sad though that we drafted him so highly and yet he's basically a more electric Jarvis Landry. I'd like to see some more downfield acumen from him but I understand what a negative and limited offensive environment this is.
 
Jimi said:
It’s like saying don’t picture a pink elephant. Not possible. He was picked where he was and will be judged accordingly in terms of whether he is a success for us. He’s broken a couple tackles, but I’ve also seen him go down very easy on others. He’s also not quite as shifty as i thought so far, I’m not seeing him shred a lot of ankles. I am not seeing Tyreek Hill 2.0 which is what he was billed as.

Still quite a long ways to go, certainly not throwing in the towel or anything like that. Just not convinced even one of our more promising picks looks like he was the correct choice. When a guy averaging like 7 yards a catch is the brightest thing you can point to about your future it’s a bad time.

Not putting the loss on Tua but I didn’t walk away overly impressed. Did his job but didn’t show elite traits.
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You’re not seeing the big picture. You’re watching a player who has the tools being coached by a dolt and two OCs who couldn’t call plays for a high school team. In five years if we are SB contenders somehow and Waddle has 90 to 100 catches I’m not gonna be thinking about where he was drafted.
 
Sirspud said:
Funny to think that people were absolutely fawning over Bowden after some 6 catch 45 yard performances just because he broke a couple tackles on a short pass to get 9 yards instead of 5.

I am a little sad though that we drafted him so highly and yet he's basically a more electric Jarvis Landry. I'd like to see some more downfield acumen from him but I understand what a negative and limited offensive environment this is.
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I get that but it’s also just his 6th game at this point and our entire coaching staff is coaching these guys not to win. I believe this guy has the tools and the big play potential
 
EasyRider said:
I get that but it’s also just his 6th game at this point and our entire coaching staff is coaching these guys not to win. I believe this guy has the tools and the big play potential
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It was surprising to see the the team dial up downfield plays for Geiscki but they seemed to alternate them with screens and plays to Waddle. Would like to see them dial up more for Waddle downfield. The WR screens are sniffed out and aren't doing much.
 
To bad there not using Waddle right. Next coach will hopefully use him right. Ok he caught few short TD,s , but for some reason after a short catch. I don't know if it's me but it appears he runs like a fast QB looking to slide. Looks weird. Has for Tua. He looked awesome coming off a injury like that. He was finally used right. Ok he made few mistakes , but he didn't lose the game. Flores ruined the game not understanding to tell our guys anything short do not touch him. Also 4th and
1 was dumb as hell. Better off putting them deep. The play call was crappy also. Very predictable Brown was getting the ball
 
Aqua Man said:
But as dumbfounded as I am with today’s loss and the disappointing season as a whole, today left me pumped about Tua and Waddle.

I won’t claim to be a self-appointed football genius, but I’m not a novice either. I’ve been an avid Dolphin and college football fan for over 37 years, played football through high school and have done some coaching at the high school level. I say all of this because I do posses a decent level of football knowledge, and I’ve never seen a Dolphin player as polarizing as Tua currently is. Some Dolphin fans still think he can be a franchise QB, and others don’t think he’s even fit to hold a clipboard.

Considering he was just on the shelf for 3 weeks, still hasn’t had a lot of NFL starts, and is operating with 2 dysfunctional OC’s, I think coming back with 300+ yards and 70% completions was pretty damn encouraging. No it wasn’t perfect, but I really don’t know what else could be expected from the kid at this point. I think I’ve seen enough to determine that he’s never gonna be a top 5 franchise type of QB, but I still think he can be an above average QB who wins you a lot of games if you actually gave him an NFL O-Line, RB, and healthy WR’s.

And while I think Waddle has been used too much in the dink and dunk passing game, it’s obviously a strong part of his game and he looks the part of a top 10 WR pick. I think of him as an OJ Mcduffie with game breaking ability.

We’ve obviously got a TON of problems, but I’d like to see Miami try to at least remedy some of the bad coaching and FO personnel issues we currently have next year while continuing on the path of Tua and Waddle being our offensive cornerstones in 2022. I could be WAY off but I feel the potential is there with these 2.
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Your not alone. I'm a Waddle fan and think he will continue to evolve into a consistent impact player. Tua played well....and if we can get a running game with some creativity to it to help him out, he will also continue to evolve.
 
Waddle is tough to judge.

On the one hand I think he has a very bright future. On the other...so did other guys available at our pick. I didn't like trading up.

Had we not traded back up or just stayed at our spot id have been fine with Waddle. I'm just not sure he's so good that not getting him would have been horrible if he didn't fall to us after the first trade.

I know we dont do the first trade without the second, but we could and should have or just stayed where we were.
 
Nice to see a positive post. This was another one of those would have, should have, tough losses.

Agree with you on Tua. He played really well and the chemistry with Waddle could be one if the highlights for the remainder of the season.
 
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