I NEVER thought ide say this...and please spare me the obscenities..

[jac3477]

I was NEVER on the gus-bus when i i heard he would start. I didnt really think much of his play the first few weeks.but after a full season. I not only respect gus, but would feel comfortble with him under center in 06...

thats NOT TO say that I really WANT gus next year...but with the way he has elevated his play recently, i dont feel that qb is our biggest priority like it was b4. bottom line, i think this team can win with frerotte at qb.

I would like to see major changes in our cb position, sam has lost a step, and will cost a lot of money..reggie howard..well everyone knows about him. I would like to see adjustments on our d line, keep holliday and carter and find a run stopping replacement for traylor. ide like to see an upgrade on full back as well, maybe another reciever...but our qb position, i think, is fine with frerotte. He seems like he's emerged as a vocal leader and some of the throws hes made have left me very surprised..he has been more consistent, ad with the rest of our offense, and he seems dedcated to this team. Im not saying gus=superbowl...but another year with him under center would not kill me, and we could upgrade other parts of the team and get younger on d.

I never thought ide say this, but ven after living in cincy and watching frerotte stink the place up for the bengals, i can say i have a lot of respect for the man...

i kno ill get ripped for this, but just remember the end goal of everyone on this forum is for the dolphins to win, and so we all agree on at least that...:dolphins:

 

[burton87]

I somewhat agree, but he still is slated to give us a 5 mil cap hit. So unless he restructrues, he is probably gone.

 

[Disgustipate]

I think the only circumstance in which I would want to curse at you is if you ever used the phrase "Guskateer" or suggested AJ Feeley never got a shot at the starting job.

If you did either of those I hope a lawnmower runs over your foot. :nate:

 

[nopony]

Gus last week:

14 for 30. (46.7% compl rating!), barely 5 yards per attempt, fumbles, sacks, an interception... rating - 70.3, exactly his season rating.

I don't think you should be ripped and I think it's fine if you like Gus... I've like plenty of players I knew weren't actually any good.

But I don't see why so many people think Gus has gotten better... his second best game of the year was the very first one. He had a career game against San Diego, but other than that his ratings for the last four weeks have been:

54.9
128.8 (san diego)
58.3
70.3

...that's not a QB who is getting better.

The only explanation I can think of is that people are subconsciously giving Gus credit for what Sage did. That's all I can think of. Because overall Gus has been just what he's been for twelve years - a really bad startign QB. He's 30th right now.

Again, perfectly cool if you like Gus. Same goes for those who like Sage or Feeley or Fiedler or Lemon... but the truth is he has been bad here and is unlikely to get any better.

 

[DolfanCole]

I was never really a supporter of Gus (until he became our starting QB). But, now that he's been there, I do feel a certain sense of comfort. Now, I know that there is better QB play out there. And I know that Gus can play better, especially after a year in the system and the same players. But, I think even if we draft a QB in the first round, I see Gus starting next year. Gus will have to restructure to stay, but I think he will with the knowledge that he can be a starter again.

 

[finfan54]

I was NEVER on the gus-bus when i i heard he would start. I didnt really think much of his play the first few weeks.but after a full season. I not only respect gus, but would feel comfortble with him under center in 06...

thats NOT TO say that I really WANT gus next year...but with the way he has elevated his play recently, i dont feel that qb is our biggest priority like it was b4. bottom line, i think this team can win with frerotte at qb.

I would like to see major changes in our cb position, sam has lost a step, and will cost a lot of money..reggie howard..well everyone knows about him. I would like to see adjustments on our d line, keep holliday and carter and find a run stopping replacement for traylor. ide like to see an upgrade on full back as well, maybe another reciever...but our qb position, i think, is fine with frerotte. He seems like he's emerged as a vocal leader and some of the throws hes made have left me very surprised..he has been more consistent, ad with the rest of our offense, and he seems dedcated to this team. Im not saying gus=superbowl...but another year with him under center would not kill me, and we could upgrade other parts of the team and get younger on d.

I never thought ide say this, but ven after living in cincy and watching frerotte stink the place up for the bengals, i can say i have a lot of respect for the man...

i kno ill get ripped for this, but just remember the end goal of everyone on this forum is for the dolphins to win, and so we all agree on at least that...:dolphins:

I am not Gus' agent like alot of people on here would like to think of me. I do not agree that we stand still with gus as you imply. I do think that Gus should be under center next year and his numbers will be much better than this years no doubt. Its obvious the changes that have happened to the O are significant. Someone posted that his numbers would be 61% if he had three dropped balls added to his percentage per game. I think that is about the percentage you could expect out of Gus next year.

What people do not put into consideration is that Gus is trying to manage the game by not screwing up when we are ahead and that is a large reason why you see numbers that may start out good in a game, end up average or below. I think Gus could easily put up about 24 TD's next year and still put up around 10 INT's or so which would mean 2 or 3 more wins.

However, we need to find the QB of the future. Of the FA QB's out there I only want David Carr and that is it. We need to draft a QB as well.

To me the ultimate would be to get Carr, keep Gus as backup at restructured deal to teach Carr the ropes, and draft a QB in the 3rd or 4th round. I think we will look at the kid from Georgia. Then let Cleo and the kid fight it out for the future.

if Carr is out of the picture, then you get Cutler if possible.

 

[wazzy]

I was NEVER on the gus-bus when i i heard he would start. I didnt really think much of his play the first few weeks.but after a full season. I not only respect gus, but would feel comfortble with him under center in 06...

thats NOT TO say that I really WANT gus next year...but with the way he has elevated his play recently, i dont feel that qb is our biggest priority like it was b4. bottom line, i think this team can win with frerotte at qb.

I would like to see major changes in our cb position, sam has lost a step, and will cost a lot of money..reggie howard..well everyone knows about him. I would like to see adjustments on our d line, keep holliday and carter and find a run stopping replacement for traylor. ide like to see an upgrade on full back as well, maybe another reciever...but our qb position, i think, is fine with frerotte. He seems like he's emerged as a vocal leader and some of the throws hes made have left me very surprised..he has been more consistent, ad with the rest of our offense, and he seems dedcated to this team. Im not saying gus=superbowl...but another year with him under center would not kill me, and we could upgrade other parts of the team and get younger on d.

I never thought ide say this, but ven after living in cincy and watching frerotte stink the place up for the bengals, i can say i have a lot of respect for the man...

i kno ill get ripped for this, but just remember the end goal of everyone on this forum is for the dolphins to win, and so we all agree on at least that...:dolphins:

I agree with you man I wouldn't mind Frerotte at QB as long as we have a rookie or a young QB being groomed for the future right under him.

 

[finfan54]

Gus last week:

14 for 30. (46.7% compl rating!), barely 5 yards per attempt, fumbles, sacks, an interception... rating - 70.3, exactly his season rating.

I don't think you should be ripped and I think it's fine if you like Gus... I've like plenty of players I knew weren't actually any good.

But I don't see why so many people think Gus has gotten better... his second best game of the year was the very first one. He had a career game against San Diego, but other than that his ratings for the last four weeks have been:

54.9
128.8 (san diego)
58.3
70.3

...that's not a QB who is getting better.

The only explanation I can think of is that people are subconsciously giving Gus credit for what Sage did. That's all I can think of. Because overall Gus has been just what he's been for twelve years - a really bad startign QB. He's 30th right now.

Again, perfectly cool if you like Gus. Same goes for those who like Sage or Feeley or Fiedler or Lemon... but the truth is he has been bad here and is unlikely to get any better.

Gus' #'s in that game I believe were much better when we were scoring and went up in the game 17-3. thats when we got conservative, and thats ussually when Gus is doing what the coaches ask of him in not throwing the game away. That is a large part of why Gus's #'s suck. That is why Saban keeps starting Gus. He is a loyal soldier. He is a leader by putting blame on himself when he could have easily put it on other players. He never did that.

As i say before, Gus is not a long term answere and I do not understand those who suggest that we who support Gus are claiming that. Not saying you are but people tend to put words in peoples mouths on here.

 

[17-0]

I have to agree. I am all for Gus starting next year. I don't want to wait for another journeyman QB to learn the system, or find his timing with the receivers. I also think that we have dropped to far in the draft to pick up a rookie QB that is capable of starting. I would rather wee Sage or Cleo get a shot next year, rather then to bring in a complete stranger to the system. Gus has shown that he can make the big throws, he's pretty good in the pocket, and him and the receivers seem to be on the same page. If Gus is willing to restructure so wee can strengthen the rest of the team, than I'm all for it. The stronger we can make the team before we put in a rookie, or free agent the better their chance for success will be. Maybe Gus can do next year with the Dolphins, what Jake Plumber did this year with the Broncos. The Dolphins should be a very strong team next year, if Gus can't get it done then it will painfully obvious.

 

[DParks]

hello , i'm new and wanted to say that i hope all of u will be my friends and fin brothers, and lets show them next year that this is only a sign of things to come

 

[CashInFist]

I was NEVER on the gus-bus when i i heard he would start. I didnt really think much of his play the first few weeks.but after a full season. I not only respect gus, but would feel comfortble with him under center in 06...

thats NOT TO say that I really WANT gus next year...but with the way he has elevated his play recently, i dont feel that qb is our biggest priority like it was b4. bottom line, i think this team can win with frerotte at qb.

I would like to see major changes in our cb position, sam has lost a step, and will cost a lot of money..reggie howard..well everyone knows about him. I would like to see adjustments on our d line, keep holliday and carter and find a run stopping replacement for traylor. ide like to see an upgrade on full back as well, maybe another reciever...but our qb position, i think, is fine with frerotte. He seems like he's emerged as a vocal leader and some of the throws hes made have left me very surprised..he has been more consistent, ad with the rest of our offense, and he seems dedcated to this team. Im not saying gus=superbowl...but another year with him under center would not kill me, and we could upgrade other parts of the team and get younger on d.

I never thought ide say this, but ven after living in cincy and watching frerotte stink the place up for the bengals, i can say i have a lot of respect for the man...

i kno ill get ripped for this, but just remember the end goal of everyone on this forum is for the dolphins to win, and so we all agree on at least that...:dolphins:

Great post man. Although, I hope Sam restructures and competes for the starting CB position next season. He has played lights out since he found out he was a Pro Bowl alternate this year. I think he got an incredible boost to his confidence and could have a career season next year.


I have jumped on that bandwagon too. I actually hope Gus gets a chance to compete for the starting position next year whether we draft/trade for/FA a QB or not. We really need to win this game at New England for our confidence going into next season. 5-1 in your last six games would sound good if it wasn't the last game of the season being your only loss. I can really see Gus having a Pro Bowl worthy season here next year.

 

[wazzy]

Welcome DParks!

 

[MissMeth]

i think all the dropped passes by our receivers has hurt him tremendously!! Im not saying that he is some spectacular QB but i think he has been solid. And i agree that i would prefer to just see what happens with a little bit better O-line, secondary and another WR and see where that leads. We do need a young QB to groom but that will take time... even a free agent would need time to learn all the ins and outs of the offense. I say just keep gus around and better those around him and things will get better. His rating would be way better without all the dropped passes by WR's.

 

[nopony]

Gus' #'s in that game I believe were much better when we were scoring and went up in the game 17-3. thats when we got conservative, and thats ussually when Gus is doing what the coaches ask of him in not throwing the game away. That is a large part of why Gus's #'s suck.

Hey, in terms of not putting up yardage, sure, I can see that. But the bad part of his numbers shouldn't be affected, in fact, his comp % should increase, etc. In fact, my problem with his play IS his mistakes... and he makes a lot of them. Not INT's returned for touchdowns, thank God, but INTs and fumbles and, his biggest, career-long problem... he just misses recievers. His completion percentage has always been bad, he's known for it. And that can kill an offense. It's not as visible or obvious as an INT, but just as damaging, in the long run, to have a guy who is barely completing half his passes.

That is why Saban keeps starting Gus. He is a loyal soldier. He is a leader by putting blame on himself when he could have easily put it on other players. He never did that.

I really think Saban just doesn't think he has any other real option. I think the signals coming from the Dolphins make it pretty clear that Saban isn't satisfied with Gus and will try to not go into next season with him starting.

As i say before, Gus is not a long term answere and I do not understand those who suggest that we who support Gus are claiming that. Not saying you are but people tend to put words in peoples mouths on here.

I understand that. I'm not saying anyone is. I hope what I am saying is clear... there is a misconception here that Gus is better than he is. He is having a worse year than Jay Fiedler had in any of his full years here, just for some perspective... and that was Jay in that godawful conservative Wanny offense.

Not knocking you for liking him... just saying that having him start next year would be bad for this team and every effort needs to be made to bring in someone new. And if that someone is a rookie? Then we need to bring someone better in to mentor him.

If Gus was our back-up? That's fine with me. Not for five million, but otherwise fine.

 

[byroan]

Last 3 weeks. Gus is tied for 6th in the league in passing TD's.