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I Pray Grier Avoids The Retreads & The Elderly

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DiepatriotsDie said:
This year's playoffs are filled to the brim with head coaches who had or are having early success as first-timers. I'm not buying McCarthy or Arians as superior candidates.
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DIE Patriots DIE makes a great point here. I do not want McCarthy, Arians, or even Fangio as a head coach. I've been reading a few threads where poster had offseason suggestions FULL of retread coaches. Hayden, i'm surprised, wanted retreads. The "Fangio Italian" thread really made a lot of sense, yikes. I really hope we don't go down that road.

I don't think Ross got it wrong with the young candidate in Gase, Gase just ended up being the wrong guy. Could have easily been McVay, just wrong place, wrong time. If he could throw a hail mary to one of the Harbaugh bros, I don't think anyone would be upset with that. However, i'm not going to factor either in.

Kris Richard is my #1 choice, I feel like he fits what this franchise is trying to do perfectly and i'd be willing to take a shot on him. Want to fix this OL & defense in 2019 and worry about grabbing a QB in 2020. This man would make sense of our secondary immediately and wouldn't mind him involved with our linebackers. This is a passionate coach with a team first brotherhood mentality, with tenacity surpassing that of Gase. I can take growing pains with a guy like this and have him as a project. I'd be ecstatic with this idea.

Eric Bienemy is my second choice. I'd solidify the lines in 19 and work on QB in 2020 here, too. I'd be willing to ride out the Reid tree. He's a longshot, as all of these new guys are. For those claiming Philbin, they were claiming Philbin with Doug Pederson, too. Adam Gase loved to call plays, and look where the offensive guru QB whisperer got us.

Third, would be Rizzi. I don't need a lot out of 2019, performance wise. I want to build. The idea of taking a 1-2 year shot on Rizzi would not hurt. Unless a Dwayne Haskins or Kyler Murray falls into your lap, i'd revamp the trenches first in 2019. The upcoming year is the one to rebuild if you want a top QB in 2020. This is Grier's time to shine, after all.

If you've been following the Dolphins a while, you don't have to be a genius to see what needs to happen. The team has a solid core of young guys, but who we hire is dependent on who leads this team at QB (i.e. NYJ is considered a better landing spot now with Darnold). I rather focus on building elsewhere, in other areas of need, this offseason and be in better position to select in a QB rich draft. Coaches are getting fired in 1 year intervals these days so why not take a shot.

Get the QB, that's what this team truly needs. If you get the REAL QB and miss out on the coach? What happens? Coach gets fired, and now you're a desirable destination for the next hottest coach. Time to topsy turvy this mofo.
 
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Just my quick take but my instincts tell me Dan Campbell may be our best option...

Gotta think he's picked up a lot under Sean Payton and is way more prepared

to guide the ship now. Unsure how "connected" he is in terms of putting together a staff --

but he's definitely got some background resources to tap into...

And, if there's ANY CHANCE Gesicki can become a legit NFL football player -- I think Dan could help him a lot!

But I kinda think we're in for some really hard times for the foreseeable future.

Ain't gonna be no talk about "playoffs" around here!

BNF
 
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I think fans, for better or worse, are usually inclined to seek whoever they see as the exact opposite of their team's last coach; i.e. the young, first-time, hot-name hotshot didn't work out, so the only guy who can whip these clowns into shape is the older, wiser, done-it-before retread who maybe didn't even fare so well in his last outing. (I, of course, realize McCarthy won a Super Bowl, but he did it with one of the greatest QBs of all time, and I can't help but think another coach in the same situation might've won a few more).

I, too, like the idea of either Richard or Bienemy, and I'm not exactly turned off by Fangio or Flores. I've always liked Rizzi, but I'm concerned that his uneven upbringing, working exclusively under some mediocre to outright terrible coaches, might've damaged him. I don't know that his fire or his smarts are enough to overcome it.

And you're right on target with the QB comments. It's everything. We've suffered this entire millennium.
 
They are all crap shoots at this point so I won't be overly happy or upset with whoever we land from that list. I just hope we don't trade the farm away for Harbaugh or reaching for a QB this year. This is the year to completely rebuild the OL and DL. I don't think any of the QB's in this draft are worth our first round pick unless maybe Murray comes out, and I don't know that I'd trade assets for him either.
 
Danny said:
I was praying we'd avoid Grier
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Well, at least we got rid of Gase and TBum -- have to hope Grier (who is reportedly "well respected"

by peeps around the league!) is "the Man" and surprises us all with a brilliant job!

I mean -- what's another 2-3 years -- or even decades!
 
We tried the young coach approach and it failed.
I would rather have a 60 year old HC than a 35 year old head coach.
I hope the team makes the right choice.
 
broccoli rob said:
DIE Patriots DIE makes a great point here. I do not want McCarthy, Arians, or even Fangio as a head coach. I've been reading a few threads where poster had offseason suggestions FULL of retread coaches. Hayden, i'm surprised, wanted retreads. The "Fangio Italian" thread really made a lot of sense, yikes. I really hope we don't go down that road.
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It is a mistake to eliminate everyone with experience. There are quality coaches in each bucket....experienced coaches and up and coming coordinators. I think what people differ about is what this team needs to help right the ship......and leadership is top of the list. Experienced coaches bring that to the table.

That doesn't mean a coordinator might not be an excellent choice....really depends on the individual and their abilities. We have had 4 or 5 first time HC's in a row......so it is not like we haven't done that before.
 
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DIE Patriots DIE makes a great point here. I do not want McCarthy, Arians, or even Fangio as a head coach. I've been reading a few threads where poster had offseason suggestions FULL of retread coaches. Hayden, i'm surprised, wanted retreads. The "Fangio Italian" thread really made a lot of sense, yikes. I really hope we don't go down that road.

I don't think Ross got it wrong with the young candidate in Gase, Gase just ended up being the wrong guy. Could have easily been McVay, just wrong place, wrong time. If he could throw a hail mary to one of the Harbaugh bros, I don't think anyone would be upset with that. However, i'm not going to factor either in.

Kris Richard is my #1 choice, I feel like he fits what this franchise is trying to do perfectly and i'd be willing to take a shot on him. Want to fix this OL & defense in 2019 and worry about grabbing a QB in 2020. This man would make sense of our secondary immediately and wouldn't mind him involved with our linebackers. This is a passionate coach with a team first brotherhood mentality, with tenacity surpassing that of Gase. I can take growing pains with a guy like this and have him as a project. I'd be ecstatic with this idea.

Eric Bienemy is my second choice. I'd solidify the lines in 19 and work on QB in 2020 here, too. I'd be willing to ride out the Reid tree. He's a longshot, as all of these new guys are. For those claiming Philbin, they were claiming Philbin with Doug Pederson, too. Adam Gase loved to call plays, and look where the offensive guru QB whisperer got us.

Third, would be Rizzi. I don't need a lot out of 2019, performance wise. I want to build. The idea of taking a 1-2 year shot on Rizzi would not hurt. Unless a Dwayne Haskins or Kyler Murray falls into your lap, i'd revamp the trenches first in 2019. The upcoming year is the one to rebuild if you want a top QB in 2020. This is Grier's time to shine, after all.

If you've been following the Dolphins a while, you don't have to be a genius to see what needs to happen. The team has a solid core of young guys, but who we hire is dependent on who leads this team at QB (i.e. NYJ is considered a better landing spot now with Darnold). I rather focus on building elsewhere, in other areas of need, this offseason and be in better position to select in a QB rich draft. Coaches are getting fired in 1 year intervals these days so why not take a shot.

Get the QB, that's what this team truly needs. If you get the REAL QB and miss out on the coach? What happens? Coach gets fired, and now you're a desirable destination for the next hottest coach. Time to topsy turvy this mofo.
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a solid CORE of young guys?
 
broccoli rob said:
DIE Patriots DIE makes a great point here. I do not want McCarthy, Arians, or even Fangio as a head coach. I've been reading a few threads where poster had offseason suggestions FULL of retread coaches. Hayden, i'm surprised, wanted retreads. The "Fangio Italian" thread really made a lot of sense, yikes. I really hope we don't go down that road.

I don't think Ross got it wrong with the young candidate in Gase, Gase just ended up being the wrong guy. Could have easily been McVay, just wrong place, wrong time. If he could throw a hail mary to one of the Harbaugh bros, I don't think anyone would be upset with that. However, i'm not going to factor either in.

Kris Richard is my #1 choice, I feel like he fits what this franchise is trying to do perfectly and i'd be willing to take a shot on him. Want to fix this OL & defense in 2019 and worry about grabbing a QB in 2020. This man would make sense of our secondary immediately and wouldn't mind him involved with our linebackers. This is a passionate coach with a team first brotherhood mentality, with tenacity surpassing that of Gase. I can take growing pains with a guy like this and have him as a project. I'd be ecstatic with this idea.

Eric Bienemy is my second choice. I'd solidify the lines in 19 and work on QB in 2020 here, too. I'd be willing to ride out the Reid tree. He's a longshot, as all of these new guys are. For those claiming Philbin, they were claiming Philbin with Doug Pederson, too. Adam Gase loved to call plays, and look where the offensive guru QB whisperer got us.

Third, would be Rizzi. I don't need a lot out of 2019, performance wise. I want to build. The idea of taking a 1-2 year shot on Rizzi would not hurt. Unless a Dwayne Haskins or Kyler Murray falls into your lap, i'd revamp the trenches first in 2019. The upcoming year is the one to rebuild if you want a top QB in 2020. This is Grier's time to shine, after all.

If you've been following the Dolphins a while, you don't have to be a genius to see what needs to happen. The team has a solid core of young guys, but who we hire is dependent on who leads this team at QB (i.e. NYJ is considered a better landing spot now with Darnold). I rather focus on building elsewhere, in other areas of need, this offseason and be in better position to select in a QB rich draft. Coaches are getting fired in 1 year intervals these days so why not take a shot.

Get the QB, that's what this team truly needs. If you get the REAL QB and miss out on the coach? What happens? Coach gets fired, and now you're a desirable destination for the next hottest coach. Time to topsy turvy this mofo.
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For me its Kris Richard hands down. Most teams who are consistently good, hired a young up and coming coach, Tomlin, Shula, Gibbs Jimmy Johnson, Belichick and so on. You don't see retreads succeed very often. Reading about and watching Richard in actions I'm convinced he is the next great young head coach
 
Got to remember, though, that Bill Bellichick was on his second chance with New England. Mike Shanahan was fired from Oakland before leading the Broncos to two super bowl wins.

I'm probably more in favor of someone with experience partly because Miami has failed so badly with the "shiny new" approach. Get someone who knows how to build a staff, has had success, is tough minded. Even if it's just for a short run of five or so years. Get the ship headed in the right direction and then you can look to groom a younger guy.
 
BigNastyFish said:
Just my quick take but my instincts tell me Dan Campbell may be our best option...

Gotta think he's picked up a lot under Sean Payton and is way more prepared

to guide the ship now. Unsure how "connected" he is in terms of putting together a staff --

but he's definitely got some background resources to tap into...

And, if there's ANY CHANCE Gesicki can become a legit NFL football player -- I think Dan could help him a lot!

But I kinda think we're in for some really hard times for the foreseeable future.

Ain't gonna be no talk about "playoffs" around here!

BNF
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Dan Campbell is an intriguing option. I liked how the team played a physical style of football in his short time in Miami. He accomplished that with a roster of finesse players too.

You raise a good question about his connections. That's partly where Gase failed. Maybe he could bring in Todd Bowles as defensive coordinator. Bowles did a nice job in that capacity for Miami. Mike Nolan, who I believe is also on the New Orleans coaching staff, could be another good fit in that role.
 
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