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I Pray McD can teach Grier how to draft OL.

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He's only failed at it for 20 years, sans Tunsil who he managed to turn into 2 other **** players.

McD is on the clock Right Now, IMO. Probably the biggest duty he'll have all year is the next 3 months. If Miami cant improve the OL then his tenure will crash right into a ditch. If we have another fkn year of **** OL play this whole thing crashes and burns.
 
Doubtful. There’s an entire personnel department led by Grier. McDaniel to save the day on linemen? We can dream but the reality is Grier somehow has a job and will continue to fock up draft picks as he always has.
 
Doubtful. There’s an entire personnel department led by Grier. McDaniel to save the day on linemen? We can dream but the reality is Grier somehow has a job and will continue to fock up draft picks as he always has.
How do you get up in the morning?
 
I think everybody is missing the point.

The GM's obligation is to try and assure a long-term point of view for the direction of the team while the HC's job is to assure the team starts winning as quickly as possible.

Since these two goals are not always "consistent" with each other, there needs to be a collaboration between the GM and the HC in determining who to draft, who to get from Free Agency and how to keep the cap under control so we are not "bankrupt" in terms of being able to bring in new players each year.

(Fortunately for us, our new HC is big on "collaboration)

This is a balancing act, where each side must acknowledge the obligations that the other side brings to the table.

There may be coaching changes being made at this point if necessary or just desirable.

The GM needs to organize the draft and provide the HC all the scouting and other information about available players. Then the GM needs to determine how much of what we have can be spent and leave enough for "emergencies" that would require bringing in other player during the season and still be in good shape for the following draft and free agency. That's a lot of talk for saying that a portion of our cap capital will need to be held back and that should fall exclusively to the GM.

The HC needs to evaluate the team and determine what positions need to be improved or backed up. He needs to let the GM know which players performance is beginning to peak or is falling off or is just not developing as hoped for. Throw all this stuff on the table and use it to set up the draft board, along with anticipating which FA's will need to be brought on board. Then contingencies must be determined to address drafts that effect our draft boards plans.

At that point there is an initial plan which may need to be re-adjusted to stay with cap limitations, pre-draft trade developments and other player/personnel changes that are being made. At this point we would begin releasing players and opening trade discussions with other teams, most of which will not be completed until the draft is in progress.

Once that is over, UDFA's will be re-evaluated in light of who we drafted, who we expect to get in FA and what we can spend.

At this point we get serious about FA's.

We probably will not be done yet and late trades and "player adjustments" such as re-writing contracts and replacing good players who take advantage of FA to go to other teams will require some final personnel changes that must be accounted for while we still maintain a cap reserve for future needs.

That's it in a "nutshell", or should I have said Nut Case - LOL

If you don't like it, you can tell it to the Marines.
Just remember one thing, a Marine just laid it out for you - LOL

No - I don't have anything better to do, why do you ask? - LOL
 
Again, we're going to realize the the importance of coaching vs talent. The Patriots havent had great lineman over the years because of their scout teams. They've had it because of their coaching. As our exciting new head coach says "YOU ARE WHAT YOU EMPHASIZE". There are hundreds of 300 pound monsters out there with great hands and feet...what separates them is the coaching and development. Whose going to teach them and help them understand the nuance of the position. Our guy will. (the last guy didnt).
 
He's only failed at it for 20 years, sans Tunsil who he managed to turn into 2 other **** players.

McD is on the clock Right Now, IMO. Probably the biggest duty he'll have all year is the next 3 months. If Miami cant improve the OL then his tenure will crash right into a ditch. If we have another fkn year of **** OL play this whole thing crashes and burns.

Grier doesn't draft OLmen (or any position). Scouting dept asst coaches, coordinators, HC. Grier is just one voice.
But, I agree, no one seems to be able to identify OLmen
 
I think everybody is missing the point.

The GM's obligation is to try and assure a long-term point of view for the direction of the team while the HC's job is to assure the team starts winning as quickly as possible.

Since these two goals are not always "consistent" with each other, there needs to be a collaboration between the GM and the HC in determining who to draft, who to get from Free Agency and how to keep the cap under control so we are not "bankrupt" in terms of being able to bring in new players each year.

(Fortunately for us, our new HC is big on "collaboration)

This is a balancing act, where each side must acknowledge the obligations that the other side brings to the table.

There may be coaching changes being made at this point if necessary or just desirable.

The GM needs to organize the draft and provide the HC all the scouting and other information about available players. Then the GM needs to determine how much of what we have can be spent and leave enough for "emergencies" that would require bringing in other player during the season and still be in good shape for the following draft and free agency. That's a lot of talk for saying that a portion of our cap capital will need to be held back and that should fall exclusively to the GM.

The HC needs to evaluate the team and determine what positions need to be improved or backed up. He needs to let the GM know which players performance is beginning to peak or is falling off or is just not developing as hoped for. Throw all this stuff on the table and use it to set up the draft board, along with anticipating which FA's will need to be brought on board. Then contingencies must be determined to address drafts that effect our draft boards plans.

At that point there is an initial plan which may need to be re-adjusted to stay with cap limitations, pre-draft trade developments and other player/personnel changes that are being made. At this point we would begin releasing players and opening trade discussions with other teams, most of which will not be completed until the draft is in progress.

Once that is over, UDFA's will be re-evaluated in light of who we drafted, who we expect to get in FA and what we can spend.

At this point we get serious about FA's.

We probably will not be done yet and late trades and "player adjustments" such as re-writing contracts and replacing good players who take advantage of FA to go to other teams will require some final personnel changes that must be accounted for while we still maintain a cap reserve for future needs.

That's it in a "nutshell", or should I have said Nut Case - LOL

If you don't like it, you can tell it to the Marines.
Just remember one thing, a Marine just laid it out for you - LOL

No - I don't have anything better to do, why do you ask? - LOL
One of your best posts ever.
 
The OL is going to benefit from a scheme that values and attacks in the running game. It's well known that run blocking helps build confidence and energy among your blockers. You don't want guys who haven't found their way in the league to be be on the defensive almost all their snaps. Let them be the attackers.
 
He's only failed at it for 20 years, sans Tunsil who he managed to turn into 2 other **** players.

McD is on the clock Right Now, IMO. Probably the biggest duty he'll have all year is the next 3 months. If Miami cant improve the OL then his tenure will crash right into a ditch. If we have another fkn year of **** OL play this whole thing crashes and burns.
He turned Tunsil into Waddle, Holland, Iggy and the Niners first next year.

We got Austin Jackson for Minkah. Thanks Flo!
 
IMO this is a false narrative. Reality is that many of the OL drafted over the last 20 years have turned into good NFL players. The fact, that it rarely happened while they were Dolphins says more about the coaching and lack of continuity than it does about drafting ability. And even then we have no idea which picks Grier had a hand in or what guys he wanted that weren't taken. He's only been the GM for 3 years and he very much has a reputation for giving the coaches who they want anyways. So any declaration about Grier's ability to draft OL is made with almost zero knowledge.
 
IMO this is a false narrative. Reality is that many of the OL drafted over the last 20 years have turned into good NFL players. The fact, that it rarely happened while they were Dolphins says more about the coaching and lack of continuity than it does about drafting ability. And even then we have no idea which picks Grier had a hand in or what guys he wanted that weren't taken. He's only been the GM for 3 years and he very much has a reputation for giving the coaches who they want anyways. So any declaration about Grier's ability to draft OL is made with almost zero knowledge.
Actually… no it’s not a false narrative…

In the last 20 years who are you going to name?

Billy Turner? I can’t imagine you’ll be able to add more than 3-4 more players that were anything beyond solid.

Look at all the players we have drafted for the OL… the only ones who have amounted to even mediocrity are:

Jake Long
Vernon Carey
Jawuan James
Laremy Tunsil
Maurice Pouncey

What’s the consistency here? All 1st round picks. JJ wasn’t even that good, either.

Name anyone else we have drafted in the last two decades who became good while here… Samson Satele?

Since you won’t be able to find anyone else, go ahead and name the list of players who FINALLY got better in year 4-5-6-7 after they left Miami.

Chris Grier’s biggest weakness is easily identifying OL talent. You don’t have to believe me, look at the trash we line up and how our lines rank year in and year out .
 
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