I Swear some fans don't know football. SMDH

[JTech194]

I keep hearing people say things like " We Can't evaluate the QB because the oline is terrible" Or "We can't evaluate the QB because the WR's are no good"

When i hear that, it tells me that those people know very little about football, or evaluating talent at least.

You can absolutely evaluate a single player despite what's going on around him. It happens all the damn time. What do you think pro scouts do when evaluating college talent? Example, When Matt Ryan came out of Boston College, scouts knew that he didn't have a good oline, or receivers, they had to take that into account when evaluating HIS TALENT. When scouts were evaluating Byron Maxwell as a FA they should have been asking "Was he good because of the system and\or players around him or was he good because HE's GOOD?

Let me give you an example using another position. Let's take the RB. Some people might say "Well if the oline is no good then you can't evaluate the RB" But what if... when you look at film, and the RB DOES have a whole, he doesn't hit it full speed, and when he gets to the second level he never makes a defender miss, or when he gets in the open he constantly gets ran down from behind. Those are all negatives that you can see and evaluate even if the oline is bad.

This is the case for EVERY POSITION. So PLEASE stop saying that because the line is bad that we can't evaluate the QB. I don't hear anyone saying that for any of our RB's, all I read is Ajayi isn't good, Damien Williams isn't good, Miller is not worth 5Mil.. etc... etc...

If we look at the QB and see that he

1. Stares down Receivers
2. Fails to look off defenders
3. Fails to avoid pressure when possible
4. Has very limited pocket presence, awareness and escapability
5. Rarely throws receivers open (throwing to spots before the break, back shoulder throws etc...)

All of those things have nothing to do with the oline, and can absolutely be evaluated. If you don't think so then I can't help you.

 

[psfign]

If it was as easy as you claim, there would be no such thing as 'draft busts'.

 

[ladeback]

:deadhorse:

 

[Blake the great]

If it was as easy as you claim, there would be no such thing as 'draft busts'.

There are draft busts at all positions

 

[psfign]

There are draft busts at all positions

Uh, no ****.

 

[jessejames123]

I keep hearing people say things like " We Can't evaluate the QB because the oline is terrible" Or "We can't evaluate the QB because the WR's are no good"

When i hear that, it tells me that those people know very little about football, or evaluating talent at least.

You can absolutely evaluate a single player despite what's going on around him. It happens all the damn time. What do you think pro scouts do when evaluating college talent? Example, When Matt Ryan came out of Boston College, scouts knew that he didn't have a good oline, or receivers, they had to take that into account when evaluating HIS TALENT. When scouts were evaluating Byron Maxwell as a FA they should have been asking "Was he good because of the system and\or players around him or was he good because HE's GOOD?

Let me give you an example using another position. Let's take the RB. Some people might say "Well if the oline is no good then you can't evaluate the RB" But what if... when you look at film, and the RB DOES have a whole, he doesn't hit it full speed, and when he gets to the second level he never makes a defender miss, or when he gets in the open he constantly gets ran down from behind. Those are all negatives that you can see and evaluate even if the oline is bad.

This is the case for EVERY POSITION. So PLEASE stop saying that because the line is bad that we can't evaluate the QB. I don't hear anyone saying that for any of our RB's, all I read is Ajayi isn't good, Damien Williams isn't good, Miller is not worth 5Mil.. etc... etc...

Judging by your RB example, when a RB DOES have a hole, then you can evaluate him.

So to that I say when RT DOES have proper protection he typically produces more times than not.

 

[Phishpunk@WCU]

they're not wrong, but neither are you. Tannehill is getting destroyed back there. absolutely hammered. when given the time he has been good or at least average. i believe he still holds the record for most consecutive completed passes. that said, there continues to be some glaring issues (too many batted balls, not pocket presence, etc). basically my point is yes, he has issues...but he is not as horrible as many make him out to be. no QB in the NFL can be successful with the **** show we have seen the last two weeks on the OL. remember last Brady lost 5 of 8 games to end the season because their OL fell apart. the job is Tannehill's the rest of the year barring injury, which is good we need to see what we have for our $96m in this new system. that can not be done with this garbage OL we have right now. at 1-4 (soon to be 1-5) the season is lost, our biggest priority is to see if we can win with Tannehill going forward or are we going to have to invest in a new QB to get us to the playoffs.

 

[lurking]

Football knowledge at its best right here. Everybody take note. What a joke.

 

[Parcells_Guy]

I keep hearing people say things like " We Can't evaluate the QB because the oline is terrible" Or "We can't evaluate the QB because the WR's are no good"

When i hear that, it tells me that those people know very little about football, or evaluating talent at least.

You can absolutely evaluate a single player despite what's going on around him. It happens all the damn time. What do you think pro scouts do when evaluating college talent? Example, When Matt Ryan came out of Boston College, scouts knew that he didn't have a good oline, or receivers, they had to take that into account when evaluating HIS TALENT. When scouts were evaluating Byron Maxwell as a FA they should have been asking "Was he good because of the system and\or players around him or was he good because HE's GOOD?

Let me give you an example using another position. Let's take the RB. Some people might say "Well if the oline is no good then you can't evaluate the RB" But what if... when you look at film, and the RB DOES have a whole, he doesn't hit it full speed, and when he gets to the second level he never makes a defender miss, or when he gets in the open he constantly gets ran down from behind. Those are all negatives that you can see and evaluate even if the oline is bad.

This is the case for EVERY POSITION. So PLEASE stop saying that because the line is bad that we can't evaluate the QB. I don't hear anyone saying that for any of our RB's, all I read is Ajayi isn't good, Damien Williams isn't good, Miller is not worth 5Mil.. etc... etc...

If we look at the QB and see that he

1. Stares down Receivers
2. Fails to look off defenders
3. Fails to avoid pressure when possible
4. Has very limited pocket presence, awareness and escapability
5. Rarely throws receivers open (throwing to spots before the break, back shoulder throws etc...)

All of those things have nothing to do with the oline, and can absolutely be evaluated. If you don't think so then I can't help you.

the irony

 

[Hc90]

If you think that you can evaluate whether a QB will have success in your system and how well he can go through his progressions and make decisions and so on ......when the qb cant even get past his first read against 3 or 4 man pressures then you've lost your mind.

Secondly , there have been plenty of QBs who guys could not get an accurate read on because

A) The talent around them in college was TOO good and way better than the competition
or
B) They came from small schools or schools where the talent around them gave a clear disadvantage.


If anything your argument completely disagrees with the point you're trying to make.

 

[lurking]

Here's a thread started by Hc90 For those who know nothing about football and think everything is an excuse ( film). Let's see how you spin this football master.

 

[Fins1971]

So to that I say when RT DOES have proper protection he typically produces more times than not.

But that is the problem. Consistency. More times than not isn't good enough when the play is there to be made. I've seen several 3rd down short passes that were there and Ryan missed them. Then the offense has to leave the field. You can't miss those bunnies.

 

[jessejames123]

But that is the problem. Consistency. More times than not isn't good enough when the play is there to be made. I've seen several 3rd down short passes that were there and Ryan missed them. Then the offense has to leave the field. You can't miss those bunnies.

Agreed those hurt. However Id challenge you to watch more football games of other teams and analyze the same way you analyze him. Even the "elites" miss easy completions at times. So of course a middle of the pack QB is going to have some too.

 

[tay0365]

I keep hearing people say things like " We Can't evaluate the QB because the oline is terrible" Or "We can't evaluate the QB because the WR's are no good"

When i hear that, it tells me that those people know very little about football, or evaluating talent at least.

You can absolutely evaluate a single player despite what's going on around him. It happens all the damn time. What do you think pro scouts do when evaluating college talent? Example, When Matt Ryan came out of Boston College, scouts knew that he didn't have a good oline, or receivers, they had to take that into account when evaluating HIS TALENT. When scouts were evaluating Byron Maxwell as a FA they should have been asking "Was he good because of the system and\or players around him or was he good because HE's GOOD?

Let me give you an example using another position. Let's take the RB. Some people might say "Well if the oline is no good then you can't evaluate the RB" But what if... when you look at film, and the RB DOES have a whole, he doesn't hit it full speed, and when he gets to the second level he never makes a defender miss, or when he gets in the open he constantly gets ran down from behind. Those are all negatives that you can see and evaluate even if the oline is bad.

This is the case for EVERY POSITION. So PLEASE stop saying that because the line is bad that we can't evaluate the QB. I don't hear anyone saying that for any of our RB's, all I read is Ajayi isn't good, Damien Williams isn't good, Miller is not worth 5Mil.. etc... etc...

If we look at the QB and see that he

1. Stares down Receivers
2. Fails to look off defenders
3. Fails to avoid pressure when possible
4. Has very limited pocket presence, awareness and escapability
5. Rarely throws receivers open (throwing to spots before the break, back shoulder throws etc...)

All of those things have nothing to do with the oline, and can absolutely be evaluated. If you don't think so then I can't help you.

Wow!!! calling people out, yet so much fail.

Whenever the greats Tom Brady, Peyton Manning, Aaron Rodgers... are harassed all day by a consistent pass-rush how well do they do? You know football, please tell me what your keen knowledge of the game.

How has your Melty...Umm, I mean Matty Ice looked when he has had little time?

 

[JTech194]

If it was as easy as you claim, there would be no such thing as 'draft busts'.

It's not easy, but's it's possible and necessary. I think a big part of the problem is that these personnell people and coaches have huge ego's and want to act as if they're the smartest in the room. You need a system and everyone needs to be on board, not this back stabbing every man for himself shi!show we've seen here the last 10 years.

Look at teams like NE, Pit etc... they have a philosophy about the type of team they want to fill and they choose players based on that. Everyone is marching to the same beat. makes it much easier.

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Here's a thread started by Hc90 For those who know nothing about football and think everything is an excuse ( film). Let's see how you spin this football master.

I saw that thread and commented on it. The writer clearly doens't now football. You can see my comments there for the complete breakdown but in summary out of the 5 sacks he took, 3 could have been avoided.

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But that is the problem. Consistency. More times than not isn't good enough when the play is there to be made. I've seen several 3rd down short passes that were there and Ryan missed them. Then the offense has to leave the field. You can't miss those bunnies.

Right AND you can't ONLY produce when you have time. Most NFL QB's can do that. HOW DO YOU PERFORM UNDER PRESSURE Thats what seperates the men from the boys in this league.