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I thought we'd finally admit Coyle is the problem

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...instead I find that the board is filled with posts blaming RT more than anything else after a game where he showed a startling ability to make plays if his OL could just give him a little time. I really don't want to make this a defend Tannehill post, so let's look at the defense.

For the entirety of Philbin's tenure, I have seen the exact same play from the defense every single week. Regardless of if we are playing Peyton Manning, Tom Brady, Mike Glennon, or Thad Lewis, its the exact same formula for mediocrity and the game plays out the exact same way. There are openings in the short to intermediate on every single play, meaning that any QB who can hit an even remotely accurate pass can carve us up. The only time we've seen something different is when there is a QB so bad like Geno Smith was our first meeting last year that they couldn't complete a pass in warmups. We let teams work their way up the field almost uncontested, dominating the clock and forcing our offense to always feel like it is playing from behind even when it is not. It feels like if this offense has a single three and out, they are more likely than not to not see the ball for another ten minutes of game time. Kevin Coyle counts on his defense to play percentages, and hope that the offense won't execute for 5-6 series straight, so he tries to take away deep and gives them short over, and over, and over. His only shred of success comes from when the field is finally shorted after a long drive, our defense having to cover much less space can keep other teams from scoring 7 sometimes.

Since Coyle's defense rarely has the ability to regularly stop an opponent, seeing as they scarcely even try to prevent first downs, he has utterly been unable to prevent his defense from letting opponents match us score for score. When teams know they need to score against Coyle to stay in the game, they've rarely been stopped. Sure, there were brief exceptions, like against NE in 2013, but by and large most comeback drives against us have been successful, like GB, Detroit, and Carolina.

Our defense was utterly unable to get off the field against Washington, and got almost no pressure, yet some gave them a pass because of the points allowed, which was as much of a symptom of the bad offense we were facing as it was good defense. This week, another week with no pressure at all, and where pretty much the only defensive plays that were made involved a Jaguar hitting a Jaguar, and it should have been completely evident. It sure was in the first half after we gave up 20 points to a bottom feeder with a second year QB who until this game hadn't broken out. We were only in the game in the 3rd quarter because the offense entirely balled out in what little time they had the ball. While the defense managed to look not bad in the second half, this was largely due to Jaguar drops and missing wide open receivers.

I'm just shocked to come on here and find that the number one culprit for the board is RT. 359 yards and two TD's. No picks. He ran for his life on a number of plays and still found some receivers downfield. He missed like two receivers all game. And he's the culprit? I understand if you want to criticize him for not elevating, but darn, if we are gonna criticize a QB for being mediocre, why aren't we criticizing the outright terrible defense?
 
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359 yards on 44 attempts with a couple of scores and no ints, while playing with no running game and shoddy protection, is a lot better than mediocre, but let's not digress.

The biggest problem I see is that our entire defense is built around the idea of getting pressure on the QB and disruption in the backfield, and yet we're just not getting it consistently. Suh, Mitchell, Phillips, Wake and Vernon are supposed to be in the backfield constantly. However, teams figured out that they could run misdirection and outside to slow that down, meaning that we're not getting that consistently. So although our run defense stiffened up, our pass defense is suffering. With the lack of pressure, players like Koa Misi (bad in coverage), Kelvin Sheppard (bad in coverage), Walt Aikens (bad in coverage) and starting CB not named Brent Grimes (bad in coverage) are being exposed constantly.

The biggest thing I'd ding the staff for today on the defensive side of the ball is that someone made the decision to make Walt Aikens the starter. Someone decided to keep him in the game.

Walt Aikens was a disaster today.
 
359 yards on 44 attempts with a couple of scores and no ints, while playing with no running game and shoddy protection, is a lot better than mediocre, but let's not digress.

The biggest problem I see is that our entire defense is built around the idea of getting pressure on the QB and disruption in the backfield, and yet we're just not getting it consistently. Suh, Mitchell, Phillips, Wake and Vernon are supposed to be in the backfield constantly. However, teams figured out that they could run misdirection and outside to slow that down, meaning that we're not getting that consistently. So although our run defense stiffened up, our pass defense is suffering. With the lack of pressure, players like Koa Misi (bad in coverage), Kelvin Sheppard (bad in coverage), Walt Aikens (bad in coverage) and starting CB not named Brent Grimes (bad in coverage) are being exposed constantly.

The biggest thing I'd ding the staff for today on the defensive side of the ball is that someone made the decision to make Walt Aikens the starter. Someone decided to keep him in the game.

Walt Aikens was a disaster today.

So Brice McCain does not get any love?:chuckle:
 
Defense isn't good but it held them to 3 second half points. We had several chances on offense in the 4th and couldn't even get a FG.
 
Not that I give a **** about YPA but Tannehill's was 8.15 today. Yeah he missed a couple of guys but he kept them in the game. Foolish to try and blame him.

This falls squarely on the coaching staff. Coming out flat aginst a lesser opponent is a common occurrence. Roster mismanagment again. We saw just how terrible the scheme on defense is. Coyle is in way over his head and will be Philbin's downfall. Just disgusted that the problems we see are reoccurring.
 
359 yards on 44 attempts with a couple of scores and no ints, while playing with no running game and shoddy protection, is a lot better than mediocre, but let's not digress.

The biggest problem I see is that our entire defense is built around the idea of getting pressure on the QB and disruption in the backfield, and yet we're just not getting it consistently. Suh, Mitchell, Phillips, Wake and Vernon are supposed to be in the backfield constantly. However, teams figured out that they could run misdirection and outside to slow that down, meaning that we're not getting that consistently. So although our run defense stiffened up, our pass defense is suffering. With the lack of pressure, players like Koa Misi (bad in coverage), Kelvin Sheppard (bad in coverage), Walt Aikens (bad in coverage) and starting CB not named Brent Grimes (bad in coverage) are being exposed constantly.

The biggest thing I'd ding the staff for today on the defensive side of the ball is that someone made the decision to make Walt Aikens the starter. Someone decided to keep him in the game.

Walt Aikens was a disaster today.

Aikens was a disaster, but how is the defense really supposed to generate pressure when the other team's QB has ample opportunity to to get rid of the ball before the pass rush can come into play? We pretty much leave the short pass uncontested. There was one play on third and ten or so where our defender was playing behind the first down marker and never even made an attempt to challenge the receiver even as he went to catch a hook route right at the first down marker. Sure, you can act like that is the player, but the reality is that it is just Coyle's scheme.

How many games have we had in Coyle's career where you thought the d-line (before Suh) was going to tee off and send the opposing QB to the locker room, only to see the game happen and a weak oline neutralizes our pass rush simply because Coyles scheme leaves receivers uncovered within ten yards on every single play. Sometimes its been Peyton Manning shredding us behind a patchwork offensive line, but other times its been Mike Glennon being untouched behind an offensive line composed of the few players who haven't gotten staph infections that week. Coyle's scheme, which largely only takes away deep or slow developing plays, seems to only have tremendous success from a pass rush perspective when the team it is facing refuses to abandon what they see as their strength in the downfield passing game instead of adopting the surefire gameplan to beat us.

I can agree that the talent at some of the defensive positions is shameful, and I've been saying that all offseason. But I couldn't take myself seriously blaming it all on that when the defense has played the absolutely exact game pretty much week after week, regardless of who is out on the field.
 
Zero pass rush exposes the LBs and DBs. The QBs have enough time to find openings in the defense almost every play. The thought was that with Suh, the front four would be able to generate pressure. I'm not sure if it is Coyle or personnel. Unfortunately until they get this thing figured out, mediocre QBs are going to look like stars against us.
 
Not that I give a **** about YPA but Tannehill's was 8.15 today. Yeah he missed a couple of guys but he kept them in the game. Foolish to try and blame him.

This falls squarely on the coaching staff. Coming out flat aginst a lesser opponent is a common occurrence. Roster mismanagment again. We saw just how terrible the scheme on defense is. Coyle is in way over his head and will be Philbin's downfall. Just disgusted that the problems we see are reoccurring.

Coyle isn't Philbin's downfall. Philbin went into the season with him as DC, after three years of mediocre play. He had to be forced to fire an OC whose scheme was one of the most antiquated and unsuccessful in the league. He is his own downfall.
 
Aikens was a disaster, but how is the defense really supposed to generate pressure when the other team's QB has ample opportunity to to get rid of the ball before the pass rush can come into play? We pretty much leave the short pass uncontested. There was one play on third and ten or so where our defender was playing behind the first down marker and never even made an attempt to challenge the receiver even as he went to catch a hook route right at the first down marker. Sure, you can act like that is the player, but the reality is that it is just Coyle's scheme.

How many games have we had in Coyle's career where you thought the d-line (before Suh) was going to tee off and send the opposing QB to the locker room, only to see the game happen and a weak oline neutralizes our pass rush simply because Coyles scheme leaves receivers uncovered within ten yards on every single play. Sometimes its been Peyton Manning shredding us behind a patchwork offensive line, but other times its been Mike Glennon being untouched behind an offensive line composed of the few players who haven't gotten staph infections that week. Coyle's scheme, which largely only takes away deep or slow developing plays, seems to only have tremendous success from a pass rush perspective when the team it is facing refuses to abandon what they see as their strength in the downfield passing game instead of adopting the surefire gameplan to beat us.

I can agree that the talent at some of the defensive positions is shameful, and I've been saying that all offseason. But I couldn't take myself seriously blaming it all on that when the defense has played the absolutely exact game pretty much week after week, regardless of who is out on the field.

It's true that the cushion given by our corners borders on the ridiculous at times. I'm not sure if we'd be exposed more deep if we stopped doing that, though. My unfortunate gut feeling is that we would be.
 
Problem No. 1 is Stephen Ross.

Problem No. 2 is Philbin.

Problem No. 3 is Coyle.

I could go on. The Dolphins got 99 problems, but Ryan Tannehill ain't one.
 
Problem No. 1 is Stephen Ross.

Problem No. 2 is Philbin.

Problem No. 3 is Coyle.

I could go on. The Dolphins got 99 problems, but Ryan Tannehill ain't one.

I think RT has his own problems, and he still screams mediocre, .500 but never much above it QB with his tendency to miss on scoring opportunities and to fail to seal wins when given the opportunity, but in a game where much of the other 40 something active players did nothing to help this team win, it's utterly and entirely ridiculous to say the QB who got to 359 yards and no picks with much of those plays coming under duress is the culprit.
 
Coyle is definitely a major problem. His schemes are basic and lack thought. And the fact they stuck with this Oline the way it was is all on Philbin.
 
It's true that the cushion given by our corners borders on the ridiculous at times. I'm not sure if we'd be exposed more deep if we stopped doing that, though. My unfortunate gut feeling is that we would be.

We definitely would be. Coyle makes his money on largely preventing the deep play. But that's at the expense of short plays over and over and over and over and over....
 
Yep, week in and week out we hear about the poor offensive lines we are facing and how they gave up 5 sacks the game before to mediocre defensive lines. Low and behold along comes the Dolphins and they can't generate a single sack.
 
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