If Culpepper is cut in the offseason....

[jbond]

Now hear me out. I'm not a DC basher nor a JH groupie. I think Saban put DC in way too early and should have held him out until recovered more.

I know DC hasn't been able to show, in Miami, what he's capable of when fully healthy...however he HAS shown he has a hard time making decisions and reading defenses. Without his mobility his inability to figure out what was going on was clearly obvious. If Saban believes his mental inability to make a decision to throw is a hindrance, regardless of whether or not he regains his physical form and decides to release him I'm curious as to does anyone know what the cap savings would be for next year? I know his bonuses are amortized over the years. What's his base salary next year? Bonus next year (and years after that)?

Don't make this a DC vs. JH thread. I'm interested if anyone knows next year's cap numbers for DC and what the hypothetical release of him would provide us in a financial way to go after OL/DL or other players and what we'd be paying for his bonus over the next few years even though released (hypothetically).

 

[Crypt Keeper]

Cap savings? I believe we pay more money to Culpepper if he is not on the team.

He isn't going anywhere.

 

[jbond]

hi salary would be a relief although his bonuses would need to be paid. I'm curious as to what they are, the difference of the two, and what the relief, if any would be.

 

[BennySwella]

Cap savings? I believe we pay more money to Culpepper if he is not on the team.

He isn't going anywhere.

Don't forget the savings if we cut McMike... he used to be my favorite player on the fins, I don't know what happened.

 

[jbond]

we could save a ton of money cutting a million players.....doesn't necessarily mean we'll find anyone better or cheaper in the offseason. I'm just curious as to what DC's #'s look like for next year. (I'm kind of getting tired of MM too...but...)

 

[Stitches]

Culpepper is scheduled to make somewhere around 6-7mill next season(not sure the eact number). By cutting him we only save 250K. I just don't see him getting cut, especially when considering the insignificant amount of savings. At the very very worst he could be the back-up.

Edit: With McMike being in his 2nd year of a new deal after this season, he likely won't be going anywhere either. I'm pretty sure in his case we'd be in the red by cutting him.

 

[@@@]

I can't see any scenario where cutting Daunte becomes reasonably unless Harrington turns into Dan Marino in the next 9 games

 

[jbond]

Anyone with any numbers and links? I haven't found any more detailed contract info for DC. The below about sums it up:

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http://www.rotoworld.com/content/playerpages/player_contract.aspx?sport=NFL&id=1227

Agreed to a restructured contract on 8/7/2005. In the original deal, Culpepper was due base salaries of, for 2006: $2,000,000, 2007: $5,500,000, 2008: $6,000,000, 2009: $6,000,000, 2010: $7,000,000, 2011: $8,000,000, 2012: $9,000,000, 2013: $10,000,000.

Culpepper restructured the deal again in March 2006, however, and is now scheduled to receive a $1 million base salary in 2006. He got a $7 million signing bonus for his efforts and remains under contract through the 2013 season.
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I assume that even with a 50% reduction in salary for 2007 his 2007 salary would still be about 2.75mill + the amoritized bonus. If he got 1.4mill in bonus last year and it's amortized across 5 years for his 7 mill bonus....and if Frisches13283 is correct in his number being about 6-7 mill next year total...then his salary next year would be what about 4.5-5mill? That salary would be a "savings" for next year. But...seems as though we're all speculating and don't really know.

 

[Dol-Fan Dupree]

Anyone with any numbers and links? I haven't found any more detailed contract info for DC. The below about sums it up:

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http://www.rotoworld.com/content/playerpages/player_contract.aspx?sport=NFL&id=1227

Agreed to a restructured contract on 8/7/2005. In the original deal, Culpepper was due base salaries of, for 2006: $2,000,000, 2007: $5,500,000, 2008: $6,000,000, 2009: $6,000,000, 2010: $7,000,000, 2011: $8,000,000, 2012: $9,000,000, 2013: $10,000,000.

Culpepper restructured the deal again in March 2006, however, and is now scheduled to receive a $1 million base salary in 2006. He got a $7 million signing bonus for his efforts and remains under contract through the 2013 season.
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I assume that even with a 50% reduction in salary for 2007 his 2007 salary would still be about 2.75mill + the amoritized bonus. If he got 1.4mill in bonus last year and it's amortized across 5 years for his 7 mill bonus....and if Frisches13283 is correct in his number being about 6-7 mill next year total...then his salary next year would be what about 4.5-5mill? That salary would be a "savings" for next year. But...seems as though we're all speculating and don't really know.

going by those cap numbers looks like Miami would lose out on a million dollars of cap space at least. Amoritized bonus that gets paid out gets counted on the cap

 

[jbond]

Guess I'm wondering if Saban would rather take a 1.4 mill hit and free up 4-5 mill while doing so (for a player (DC) no longer on the roster if he believes he won't improve much) or a 5-6 mill hit on the outset that DC will improve with another year of rehab. I'm wondering if Saban believes DC's physical improvement will be enough to offset his mental ineptitude to make a decision and if it's worth the pricetag to keep him on or rather spend the money in other places (OL/DL etc.) and take a chance with someone like Quinn in the draft (if we, cough, actually get the #1 pick....which if so, hopefully he'd trade down and pick up another #1 for 2 1st rounders with less total cap hit for them). I'm just thinking in my head is all that if Saban is starting to realize the multitude of problems we have and sometimes...money is best spent spread around.

 

[Stitches]

Guess I'm wondering if Saban would rather take a 1.4 mill hit and free up 4-5 mill while doing so (for a player (DC) no longer on the roster if he believes he won't improve much) or a 5-6 mill hit on the outset that DC will improve with another year of rehab. I'm wondering if Saban believes DC's physical improvement will be enough to offset his mental ineptitude to make a decision and if it's worth the pricetag to keep him on or rather spend the money in other places (OL/DL etc.) and take a chance with someone like Quinn in the draft (if we, cough, actually get the #1 pick....which if so, hopefully he'd trade down and pick up another #1 for 2 1st rounders with less total cap hit for them). I'm just thinking in my head is all that if Saban is starting to realize the multitude of problems we have and sometimes...money is best spent spread around.

I'm not saying I wouldn't like to see that happen. But in oder to do that, not only would you have to find a suitor, but you'd have to find one with 2 first round picks. A more likely scenario would be picks this year, and a 1st rounder or 1st day pick the following year.

 

[Dol-Fan Dupree]

Guess I'm wondering if Saban would rather take a 1.4 mill hit and free up 4-5 mill while doing so (for a player (DC) no longer on the roster if he believes he won't improve much) or a 5-6 mill hit on the outset that DC will improve with another year of rehab. I'm wondering if Saban believes DC's physical improvement will be enough to offset his mental ineptitude to make a decision and if it's worth the pricetag to keep him on or rather spend the money in other places (OL/DL etc.) and take a chance with someone like Quinn in the draft (if we, cough, actually get the #1 pick....which if so, hopefully he'd trade down and pick up another #1 for 2 1st rounders with less total cap hit for them). I'm just thinking in my head is all that if Saban is starting to realize the multitude of problems we have and sometimes...money is best spent spread around.

yea his over 90 career rating does show a horrible mental ineptitude to make a decision. :shakeno:

 

[bluehaze]

The more I think about it the more likely it is for Daunte to be cut in the offseason if hes not performing...we have to take the cap hit eventually and might as well pony up and do it while we have the space. Then you save on Daunte's salary next year. Draft Brady Quinn let Joey play next year and let Quinn take over the following year when Joey's contract is up and there is no cap hit. It seems the most sensible thing to do.

 

[jbond]

yea his over 90 career rating does show a horrible mental ineptitude to make a decision. :shakeno:

lol...you've seen him have a decent rating thus far with us....but would you call him hobbling around in the backfield for 4-6 seconds before he's sacked "making a decision"? When he was more mobile...if he didn't see what he liked he could run for it. Now that he couldn't run and actually had to read the defense more and look for receivers more....he looked like a lost 5 year old out there who can't find their way home. His completion % was still decent...because when he couldn't find a receiver and couldn't run anymore he'd just take the sack. :rolleyes2:

Seems to me that if a QB is willing to take a sack (um, look at his sack history, it's up there) or run if he can't see anything he likes (which he's done historically) then yeah...his completion % is going to be higher (and thus is rating) then normal. His problem is...he can't run right now...and can't figure out what to do with the ball and thus was sacked repeatedly as he's wandering aorund trying to figure out what to do. Yeah...that's mental ineptitude to make a decision. And if he can't regain 99% of his previous physical form...he's done as a starting QB because his "mental" part of "getting" the game doesn't compensate for his physical immobility. :shakeno:

 

[Crypt Keeper]

The more I think about it the more likely it is for Daunte to be cut in the offseason...we have to take the cap hit eventually and might as well pony up and do it while we have the space. Then you save on Daunte's salary next year. Draft Brady Quinn let Joey play next year and let Quinn take over the following year when Joey's contract is up and there is no cap hit. It seems the most sensible thing to do.