If everyone acknowledges 08 is a rebuilding year, why do we need a vet QB?

[SkapePhin]

Sink or swim with John Beck in 08 imo.. We all know we aren't looking for the playoffs, so why not just see what we got in Beck for the whole year? Why delay his development, especially considering his age...

I just dont see the merits in finding an old vet QB to start for us in our current situation. Does anyone else agree?

 

[3rdandinches]

I couldn't agree more, if we sign a veteran it should be for competion and to be a reliable backup. If they want to draft another QB in the late 2nd/3rd/4th I don't have a problem with that either.Depth at the QB spot never hurts, so let's leave the aging/oft-injured/unwanted/fat/I still believe I should be starting QB's for other franchises to get and home grow our own!!!!

 

[Lazy1]

Its always good to have vets on your team in our case its good to have vets for leadership and also to let the younger guys develop. If a player is ready to play by all means let him play, but dont force any young players to play just because we have no1 else. With john beck's scenario hes learning a new offense and needs to build confidence more importantly than anything else, if he gets thrown out there and plays terribly his confidence will be shot and his game will go down the drain. I dont think we should go out and get a mega FA or trade for a qb but we need a more experienced qb as a fall back for beck and a guy that can also help beck learn the game and the system.

 

[Lenny]

The same reason that Cleo Lemon started the last few games of the season.
The players on the team want at the very least a chance to win, and if Beck (who is largely unproven at this point) turns out to be in way over his head, you have to put someone else in there or you risk having a mutiny on the team.

Also, we need 3 QB's on the roster, so unless we plan on drafting two this year we'll need to pick up a free agent anyways.

 

[bumblebeetuna]

beck's not the answer. resign green and draft a qb. ryan or trade down for brohlm.

 

[Padfoot]

beck's not the answer. resign green and draft a qb. ryan or trade down for brohlm.

And you know that based on the massive amount of empirical evidence gathered throughout his 4-game rookie season on a 1-15 team run by an inept play-caller right?

 

[Spiff]

I couldn't agree more with the original post. Play Beck. No need for a veteran QB.

As for his self-confidence: we're coming from a 1-15 season. If he doesn't find it this year, he never will.

As for the players seeking a veteran to give them the slightest chance to win: they all now we're rebuilding. For the long run it doesn't matter if we go 4-12 or 6-10 (in that case 4-12 might even be better with the draft position in mind).

Having said that, I also want the team to win. Desperately. I want to forget that 1-15 campaign. But I want the team to win in the long run. I'd rather go 1-15 again and 9-7 the year after that than to go 8-8 and 6-10. We're building the future right now and that's why our future has to play. John Beck that is. Period.

 

[NorFlaFin]

If the Dolphins were a dominate running team ala the Pitts. Steelers, yes start a rookie.

However since the Dolphins running attach is currently rehabbing a torn ACL.....

 

[LarryFinFan]

Sink or swim with John Beck in 08 imo.. We all know we aren't looking for the playoffs, so why not just see what we got in Beck for the whole year? Why delay his development, especially considering his age...

I just dont see the merits in finding an old vet QB to start for us in our current situation. Does anyone else agree?

Well, until FA and the draft are over, we just don't know the direction that Tunaland is taking this team, thats why.
I also, like you would like to see us go with Beck as the starter. But given Tunaland's history, they'll have a veteran QB to play and/or start should he falter. Their history says they won't have Beck starting yet unless he wows them in camp and minicamps.

As to our current situation, lets wait until after the Draft before we write everything off. Don't get me wrong, I harbor no false hopes of SB proportions, but Tunaland do have a repeated history of infusing talent wherever they've been, right from the git-go...so before we throw in the towel and give up on 2008, lets see what the makeup of the team will really be...

 

[Krush]

John beck although he had a miserable year should be named the starter right now, and draft a qb in the 3rd round and let them compete, there is no need to bring in veteran to stop becks learning process, this is a good kid, give him a chance to show what he can do. Lets not forget this team was 1-15 and it wasn't all about the qb.

 

[WVDolphan]

Heres the thing.

This team needs a QB who can provide leadership and limit mistakes(Pennington). When you have a young team you want them to be able to win a game when the rest of the team plays well enough to win. Young teams need to learn how to win games and build on that. So you dont want a QB who will cost your team the game when the young guys play well enough to win. Its that simple.

You want a QB to limit mistakes so that a young team learning how to win will win the games in which they actually play well enough to earn one. Not a guy who will turn it over 3 times and cost a young learning team a game that they would have won otherwise. That kind of thing is demoralizing and detrimental to the developement of a winnning attitude and environment.

We wont be in position to win a ton of games, so we need a guy who can allow us to win the ones where the younger players have earned a win. Pennington is that guy.

 

[edsta74]

Agree with OP. We should see what we have in Beck. I know some have said we shouldnt rush him in. That doing so could ruin his confidence. If this is true, then he doesnt have what it takes to be an NFL QB. And probably never will. We need to know what we have in him....now. And if he doesnt succeed, then we need to bring someone else in who will. Bottom line is that we need to find ourselves a franchise QB. And we cant tell if Becks that guy by having him standing on the sidelines. JMHO.

With that said, we do need a Veteran QB. But only as a backup. In case Beck doesnt cut it. Or gets hurt.

 

[sleek]

Learning a whole new system of offense can be tough for any Qb we don't want to bury Beck with that while he is still trying to learn the ins and outs of the nfl (game speed,etc.) A veteran Qb that Parcells will bring in will already know the system and will display an example of how things should run which will allow Beck time to develop more and more also the team will get used to playing together so that when Beck is inserted into the lineup it is a smooth transition. It is like an apprenticeship program you wouldn't just throw a guy out there and say your a carpenter go build me a house. A carpenter apprenticeship is a 4yr program first year you might learn how to use power tools & blueprint reading, the second year you might learn framing etc. Parcells brings in the vets to show the rookies how he wants things to run then they step down and the rookies take over. I mean you saw what happened to Beck last year. I would rather have a little more patience and get better players.Overall Parcells is installing a system rather just putting everything on one Superstar like we saw through the Marino years. Who knows what Marino would have been like with a deep solid running game and if we had a QB being groomed under Marino we might not have been so shell shocked by his departure. I don't know how many games I watched that we could have won but since all we could do is pass the defense knew what was coming and we ended up losing. Bottomline give a QB some tools and he will be even better than he was before and install a system and there will be young guys ready to step in when old ones leave so you can continue to stay competitve rather than only be good till your star is gone.

 

[Glacier]

Sink or swim with John Beck in 08 imo.. We all know we aren't looking for the playoffs, so why not just see what we got in Beck for the whole year? Why delay his development, especially considering his age...

I just dont see the merits in finding an old vet QB to start for us in our current situation. Does anyone else agree?

Parcells is BIG on philosophy and systems of doing things.

Few QBs are built ready to be thrown into the fire. Parcells view on the topic is, you risk losing the player if you throw him to the wolves too soon. You can permanently damage the player if you force him to play prior to him being ready. (Ryan Leaf, David Carr ...)

The other key thing you are missing here is, Parcells is no excuses kind of guy. There is NO SUCH THING as a rebuilding year. You work with what you can with the view that, this is a results business. You are in the business of winning games, regardless of the circumstance.

Injuries are not a legitimate excuse. Lack of talent is not a legitimate excuse. There are no excuses, period. You strive to win, regardless of who is playing on your team.

When Parcells says, that he is bringing in people who share his philosophies, this is exactly the kind of core philosophies he is talking about.

Sparano will not be making any excuses for not winning. He is going to coach the guys he has, with the understanding that, he has to win with what he has.

 

[Rich]

"why do we need a vet QB"
-- Lemon is a free agent. So we've only got 1 QB? Do you want to draft 2 quarterbacks? Additionally, there should be some competition against Beck. He wasn't a world-beater last year.

If we hadn't signed veteran Matt Baker(who?)... then our backup QB would have been Greg Camarillo! Nice. I don't see the need to splurge, or pickup an expensive QB this year. Someone to compete with Beck seems smart. You never know if he'll get injured, as well.