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can he initially agree to terms, get drafted number one and then threaten or hold out for a new contract once drafted? Just wondering if that's a possible scenario.

Because I can think of an issue coming up where he agrees to terms and then the number two draft pick is given an equal to or greater contract then the number one overall. Then our first round draft pick threatening to not show up to camp if he doesn't receive a greater contract. Hope that makes sense and just wondering how likely is that. Thanks.
 
It could happen, but it would be very very difficult for the #2 to manage to eek out a better contract. If Atlanta trades up and drafts Matt Ryan, then I could see it happening. If anyone other then Ryan is drafted #2 it would be very unlikely that that scenario happens
 
malzj said:
can he initially agree to terms, get drafted number one and then threaten or hold out for a new contract once drafted? Just wondering if that's a possible scenario.

Because I can think of an issue coming up where he agrees to terms and then the number two draft pick is given an equal to or greater contract then the number one overall. Then our first round draft pick threatening to not show up to camp if he doesn't receive a greater contract. Hope that makes sense and just wondering how likely is that. Thanks.
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I was thinking about this and my answer to myself was yes. Players under contract holdout all the time so I am sure he could do it if he felt he got screwed.
 
No he would be expected to sign the contract before the pick is made. There will be language in the contract that makes it contingent on him being selected #1 overall. So he would be bound by the contract regardless of those picked behind him. For him to refuse to come into camp would be breach of contract and I expect subject to forfiture of his signing bonus's

One issue that comes to mind is in the event of a trade. In the event someone wanted to trade up to the #1 spot to take J. Long. I wonder how the contract would play out since Miami could technically pick him #1 overall and trade him straight away. Having him nailed down to an attractive contract up front could potentially put some teams more at ease about trading up with us for more picks. Perhaps someone like KC for example. Probably nothing to it but it good food for thought.
 
I'd have to imagine that no player would agree to a deal worth say 30 million guaranteed only to retract the deal when he's finally drafted and able to sign it. I'm sure players are licking their chops for the pay day.
 
malzj said:
can he initially agree to terms, get drafted number one and then threaten or hold out for a new contract once drafted? Just wondering if that's a possible scenario.

Because I can think of an issue coming up where he agrees to terms and then the number two draft pick is given an equal to or greater contract then the number one overall. Then our first round draft pick threatening to not show up to camp if he doesn't receive a greater contract. Hope that makes sense and just wondering how likely is that. Thanks.
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its made sense,and unfortunately,yes,he can:(
 
Dolphin Dave said:
No he would be expected to sign the contract before the pick is made. There will be language in the contract that makes it contingent on him being selected #1 overall. So he would be bound by the contract regardless of those picked behind him. For him to refuse to come into camp would be breach of contract and I expect subject to forfiture of his signing bonus's

One issue that comes to mind is in the event of a trade. In the event someone wanted to trade up to the #1 spot to take J. Long. I wonder how the contract would play out since Miami could technically pick him #1 overall and trade him straight away. Having him nailed down to an attractive contract up front could potentially put some teams more at ease about trading up with us for more picks. Perhaps someone like KC for example. Probably nothing to it but it good food for thought.
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I agree, if he agrees to a deal, Parcells an Co. will have him sign on the dotted line before the pick is announced.
 
Dolphin Dave said:
No he would be expected to sign the contract before the pick is made. There will be language in the contract that makes it contingent on him being selected #1 overall. So he would be bound by the contract regardless of those picked behind him. For him to refuse to come into camp would be breach of contract and I expect subject to forfiture of his signing bonus's

One issue that comes to mind is in the event of a trade. In the event someone wanted to trade up to the #1 spot to take J. Long. I wonder how the contract would play out since Miami could technically pick him #1 overall and trade him straight away. Having him nailed down to an attractive contract up front could potentially put some teams more at ease about trading up with us for more picks. Perhaps someone like KC for example. Probably nothing to it but it good food for thought.
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Exactly. I wouldn't expect Parcells and Ireland to put themselves in a position for that to happen
 
Until the players signs a contract . . . he does not have to be held to one. We can't have him sign a contract until he is drafted by us.

Can he change is mind . . . sure . . . would be HIGHLY unprofessional and unlikely but it is possible. I'm sure as soon as Long is drafted we will get him signed and avoid any holdouts. We wont give #2 any chance to cause confusion . . . and the Rams will negotiate based on the original estimates/contract signed by Jake . . . so #2 really isn'ta threat here . . . if anything they will wait for us before they start.
 
do you mean agreeing to terms or signing a contract?mario williams signed his contract with the texans a couple days prior to the draft.once the texans selected him number 1 overall, he was bound to the terms of that contract, and if he didn't report, he was just like any other player in violation of the terms of their agreement and holding out.
 
Dolphin Dave said:
No he would be expected to sign the contract before the pick is made. There will be language in the contract that makes it contingent on him being selected #1 overall. So he would be bound by the contract regardless of those picked behind him. For him to refuse to come into camp would be breach of contract and I expect subject to forfiture of his signing bonus's

One issue that comes to mind is in the event of a trade. In the event someone wanted to trade up to the #1 spot to take J. Long. I wonder how the contract would play out since Miami could technically pick him #1 overall and trade him straight away. Having him nailed down to an attractive contract up front could potentially put some teams more at ease about trading up with us for more picks. Perhaps someone like KC for example. Probably nothing to it but it good food for thought.
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This is a true scenario, but that alone doesnt stop a holdout. A handful of players holdout every year for new contracts. Theres no difference between Jake Long holding out after he signed a contract or any other rookie or veteran player holding out after they sign their contracts
 
dolpns13 said:
This is a true scenario, but that alone doesnt stop a holdout. A handful of players holdout every year for new contracts. Theres no difference between Jake Long holding out after he signed a contract or any other rookie or veteran player holding out after they sign their contracts
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In the end, on many situations the player didn't get a better contract.

I believe Parcells would run a similar ship to that of Belichek. How many star players have threatened to hold out there over the last few years? How many of them still played while not receiving a new contract. Almost all if not all of them.
 
circumstances said:
do you mean agreeing to terms or signing a contract?mario williams signed his contract with the texans a couple days prior to the draft.once the texans selected him number 1 overall, he was bound to the terms of that contract, and if he didn't report, he was just like any other player in violation of the terms of their agreement and holding out.
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That is correct,
 
dolpns13 said:
This is a true scenario, but that alone doesnt stop a holdout. A handful of players holdout every year for new contracts. Theres no difference between Jake Long holding out after he signed a contract or any other rookie or veteran player holding out after they sign their contracts
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While it is true that he could try and hold out and breach his contract it would do him more harm than good. Ricky Williams breached his contract and Miami took him to court and sued him for the prorated bonuses and not only won a judgment against him but also retained his rights. He also would be bound to Miami for the length of the contract and thus be unable to reenter the draft next year like Bo Jackson did to Tampa. In essence he would have trapped himself with no money and no way out.


I guess it is possible but I can't recall an example of a rookie actually signing a contract and then holding out.
 
I couldnt imagine this happening, why would the rams want to give the 2 pick number 1 money when they can give less, since thats usually goes.
 
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