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..., how is Pennington having one of the best years of his career?

Pennington's best years to date:

2002: Pennington played in 15 games, completed 275 of his 399 passing attempts (68.9 completion %), averaged 7.8 yards per attempt, threw 22 touchdown passes, 6 interceptions and was sacked 22 times. Pennington had a 104.2 passer rating and the Jets offense averaged 22.4 points per game.

2004: Pennington played in 13 games, completed 242 of 370 passing attempts (65.4 completion %), averaged 7.2 yards per attempt, threw 16 touchdowns, 9 interceptions and was sacked 18 times. Pennington had a passer rating of 91 and the Jets offense scored an average of 20.8 points per game.

2006: Pennington played in all 16 games, completed 313 of 485 passing attempts (64.5 completion %), averaged 6.9 yards per attempts, threw 17 touchdown passes, 16 interceptions and was sacked 30 times. Pennington had a passer rating of 82.6 and the Jets offense scored an average of 19.8 points per game.

Fast forward to this year...

Pennington has played 7 games to date, completing 140 of 202 passing attempts (69.3 completion %), averaging 8.5 yards per attempt, has 7 touchdown passes, 3 interceptions, and has been sacked 11 times. Thus far, Pennington has a 100.5 passer rating and the Dolphins offense has averaged 20.7 points per game.

In 2002, the Jets featured Curtis Martin (29 at the time) and LaMont Jordan at RB, Laveranues Coles (25 years old at the time, this was his breakout season), Wayne Chrebet (29 years old at the time) and a 2nd year Santana Moss (23 years old at the time). Moss ended up having his breakout season in 2003, but he was still a good #3 option in '02.

In 2004, the Jets featured Curtis Martin and LaMont Jordan at RB, Santana Moss (25 years old at the time), Just McCareins (26 years old at the time) and Wayne Chrebet (31 years old at the time) at WR.

If we're comparing overall success on the offensive side of the ball, Pennington's '08 season compares more favorably to the Jet's 2004 offense, but his individual numbers compare more to his '02 season, I expect that to change by seasons end. IMO, if Pennington stays healthy, our offense will stay in line with the Jet's '04 offense and Pennington's '08 line will also go down closer to his '04 line.

There isn't much that separates the Dolphin's '08 offense with the Jet's '02 offense, and that ('02 Jets) offense had some really good talent at RB and at WR. Hell, the '04 Jets had a really good running game, a young #1 WR in Santana Moss and decent 2nd and 3rd receiving options. So I ask, if our receivers are so bad, how is Pennington on pace to match his 2nd best NFL season?
 
shula_guy said:
its because our front line is that good
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Perhaps that's part of the reason, but it's asinine to think that's the only reason. There's no way he'd be performing this way to date, if our receivers weren't better than many people thought they would be.
 
they are better than people give them credit for. they may not be dominant, but how many dropped passes do we have this year? 1?

but also, the RB's are contributing...Cobbs has been a big factor, Ricky takes one for about 50 last game. The TE's have been huge, David Martin has been awesome IMO. Chad might get him killed by the end of the year, but I love how he's been going up and getting everything.

it's been a total team effort, which makes it easier for the WR's to contribute.
 
Camarillo has been his only consistent wide receiver this season. Ted Ginn was great last week but invisible before then. Pennington has relied on his tight ends to move the chains. Martin is averaging 14.1 YPC, Fasano is 13.2 -- those are sick numbers for that position.
 
DolfanDaveInATX said:
Camarillo has been his only consistent wide receiver this season. Ted Ginn was great last week but invisible before then. Pennington has relied on his tight ends to move the chains. Martin is averaging 14.1 YPC, Fasano is 13.2 -- those are sick numbers for that position.
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Perhaps he was invisible to Pennington over the first 6 games, but he's been getting open all season. Unfortunately, Ginn's game against the Bills was the first time Pennington made any real effort getting Ginn the ball on intermediate/deep routes.
 
burger13 said:
they are better than people give them credit for. they may not be dominant, but how many dropped passes do we have this year? 1?

but also, the RB's are contributing...Cobbs has been a big factor, Ricky takes one for about 50 last game. The TE's have been huge, David Martin has been awesome IMO. Chad might get him killed by the end of the year, but I love how he's been going up and getting everything.

it's been a total team effort, which makes it easier for the WR's to contribute.
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I agree. It's just like the rest of the team..Not great...They are just limiting mistakes. TunaBall.
 
Breed said:
..., how is Pennington having one of the best years of his career?

Pennington's best years to date:

2002: Pennington played in 15 games, completed 275 of his 399 passing attempts (68.9 completion %), averaged 7.8 yards per attempt, threw 22 touchdown passes, 6 interceptions and was sacked 22 times. Pennington had a 104.2 passer rating and the Jets offense averaged 22.4 points per game.

2004: Pennington played in 13 games, completed 242 of 370 passing attempts (65.4 completion %), averaged 7.2 yards per attempt, threw 16 touchdowns, 9 interceptions and was sacked 18 times. Pennington had a passer rating of 91 and the Jets offense scored an average of 20.8 points per game.

2006: Pennington played in all 16 games, completed 313 of 485 passing attempts (64.5 completion %), averaged 6.9 yards per attempts, threw 17 touchdown passes, 16 interceptions and was sacked 30 times. Pennington had a passer rating of 82.6 and the Jets offense scored an average of 19.8 points per game.

Fast forward to this year...

Pennington has played 7 games to date, completing 140 of 202 passing attempts (69.3 completion %), averaging 8.5 yards per attempt, has 7 touchdown passes, 3 interceptions, and has been sacked 11 times. Thus far, Pennington has a 100.5 passer rating and the Dolphins offense has averaged 20.7 points per game.

In 2002, the Jets featured Curtis Martin (29 at the time) and LaMont Jordan at RB, Laveranues Coles (25 years old at the time, this was his breakout season), Wayne Chrebet (29 years old at the time) and a 2nd year Santana Moss (23 years old at the time). Moss ended up having his breakout season in 2003, but he was still a good #3 option in '02.

In 2004, the Jets featured Curtis Martin and LaMont Jordan at RB, Santana Moss (25 years old at the time), Just McCareins (26 years old at the time) and Wayne Chrebet (31 years old at the time) at WR.

If we're comparing overall success on the offensive side of the ball, Pennington's '08 season compares more favorably to the Jet's 2004 offense, but his individual numbers compare more to his '02 season, I expect that to change by seasons end. IMO, if Pennington stays healthy, our offense will stay in line with the Jet's '04 offense and Pennington's '08 line will also go down closer to his '04 line.

There isn't much that separates the Dolphin's '08 offense with the Jet's '02 offense, and that ('02 Jets) offense had some really good talent at RB and at WR. Hell, the '04 Jets had a really good running game, a young #1 WR in Santana Moss and decent 2nd and 3rd receiving options. So I ask, if our receivers are so bad, how is Pennington on pace to match his 2nd best NFL season?
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Exactly! Many people say stuff that are not substantively based. The truth is that we have one of the most productive WR corps(meaning one of the best) in the league.

If we are top ten in receiving than that should tell you right now.

I mean, look at it. Camarillo is one of the most reliable WRs to be throwing the ball to when you need a reception as they come. He is a legit #2 WR in the OJ Mcduffie mold.

Tedd Ginn Jr is one of the fastest WRs in the league who demands respect and double teams from opposing defenses.

These two starters are as good as they come. But people continue to fail to see this.

Then when you have Ernest Wilford and Derek Hagan not being able to play...you got a good WR corps.

Not to mention, it seems that we have a young developing one as well. So they are going to get better and better and are developing some potential sleepers with major potential like Brandon London who is fast enough to stretch the field and big enough to throw jump ball to.

And not to mention little Davone Bess who has great hands and a great route runner and can return kicks.

Stats show that our WRs are one of the best in the league.
 
MrEd said:
Exactly! Many people say stuff that are not substantively based. The truth is that we have one of the most productive WR corps(meaning one of the best) in the league.

If we are top ten in receiving than that should tell you right now.

I mean, look at it. Camarillo is one of the most reliable WRs to be throwing the ball to when you need a reception as they come. He is a legit #2 WR in the OJ Mcduffie mold.

Tedd Ginn Jr is one of the fastest WRs in the league who demands respect and double teams from opposing defenses.

These two starters are as good as they come. But people continue to fail to see this.

Then when you have Ernest Wilford and Derek Hagan not being able to play...you got a good WR corps.

Not to mention, it seems that we have a young developing one as well. So they are going to get better and better and are developing some potential sleepers with major potential like Brandon London who is fast enough to stretch the field and big enough to throw jump ball to.

And not to mention little Davone Bess who has great hands and a great route runner and can return kicks.

Stats show that our WRs are one of the best in the league.
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I agree, and it's looking very likely that Ginn and Camarillo match what Moss and McCareins did in '04. Considering where Coles and Moss were in their 2nd years in development, I'd say Ginn is looking quite good for a 2nd year receiver.

After 23 NFL games played:
Coles: 863 receiving yards/57 receptions and 5 receiving touchdowns
Ginn: 772 receiving yards/61 receptions and 2 receiving touchdowns

Coles did play only 13 games his rookie season, whereas, Ginn played the entire season. If we're comparing their numbers over their first full season and 8 weeks of their 2nd NFL season, their numbers look like this:

Coles: 791 receiving yards/50 receptions and 4 receiving touchdowns
Ginn: 772 receiving yards/61 receptions and 2 receiving toucdowns
 
Breed said:
Perhaps he was invisible to Pennington over the first 6 games, but he's been getting open all season. Unfortunately, Ginn's game against the Bills was the first time Pennington made any real effort getting Ginn the ball on intermediate/deep routes.
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I completely agree with this. After the Ravens game, somebody got on here and posted about Ginn being open down the field quite often through the game and just not getting the ball. The fins must have seen this on tape because they went to him last week right off the bat and had success with it. I expect to see that deep pass more often after we had success with it.
 
Shamboubou said:
I completely agree with this. After the Ravens game, somebody got on here and posted about Ginn being open down the field quite often through the game and just not getting the ball. The fins must have seen this on tape because they went to him last week right off the bat and had success with it. I expect to see that deep pass more often after we had success with it.
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That first play of the game was installed the night before the game when the coaches decided to be aggressive from the start.
I think after three months of working together, Pennington and the receivers can now be more aggressive in the passing game.
 
They will have to throw some this week, early and often if they are going to win.
 
Breed said:
Still, there's no way in hell his numbers would be this good if our starting receivers were "some of the worst in the NFL".
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When our WR's can't beat out our TE's/RB's yardage, they aren't exactly going to be considered elite. Esp when WIlford/Hagan are performing horribly.

You can blame Penny if you want, but we definitely are in the bottom half WR wise in the nfl.
 
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