If QB is Average, What is Fins' Record?

[nyjunc]

The Question was, if Miami QBing is average, how would they do. So to better compare, if the Jets and Dolphins QBing were average this year (Meaning both played at the same level), what you wrote would be severely wrong. Miami third string WR (Boston) would probably start on your team, so yes at WR Miami is better. In the two year that Ricky has played here, he has outplayed Martin,

2002
Ricky- 1853
Curtis-1094
2003
Ricky-1372
Curtis-1308

and Brown is better then anyone you have backing up Curtis, so Miami has better RBs. We agree that Miami has better TEs. The only advantage your team has is O-line, and so far Miami O-line has been looking very good the last two weeks, are they better then the Jets, no, but it is vert possible that the Dolphin's O-line is not that far off from the Jets.

What may make your teams offense better is that yes, you have a better Qb, and it is very doubtful that he will be average, but also remember one thing if Penny goes down (Very possible considering his fragile record), your team will be starting a QB that was backing up our backup last year.

Your record predictions was way off, but that is to be expected.

You are putting Ricky's 1 great year in ythere, other than that 1 fluke season he cannot compare to Curtis including Ricky's last season before he fled. David Boston is coming off major injury and is an unknown at this point, he would NOT start here. Derrick Blaylock has proven he can run in the NFL- has Ronnie Brown? No so as of now the edge goes to Blaylock. You guys have some talent but not near as much talent as we have, we will be better then you if Brooks Bollinger winds up starting.

 

[tay0365]

You are putting Ricky's 1 great year in ythere, other than that 1 fluke season he cannot compare to Curtis including Ricky's last season before he fled.

Ricky's 2 seasons with Miami, he out rushed Curtis, that simple.

David Boston is coming off major injury and is an unknown at this point, he would NOT start here.

Ok, so if we go by your reasoning, Chad Pennington is coming off major surgry, has played very little in his career, so he is also an unknown, and would not start in Miami.

Derrick Blaylock has proven he can run in the NFL- has Ronnie Brown? No so as of now the edge goes to Blaylock.

No, but at least Ronnie Brown has proven he can Block, and can catch the ball very well out of the backfield. Also, in preseason so far, Ronnie has rushed for 4.1 yards a carry, while Blaylock 3.7. So actually as of now, advantage Brown.

You guys have some talent but not near as much talent as we have, we will be better then you if Brooks Bollinger winds up starting.

No you do not have more talent then us, you just happen to have more talent where it counts (QB), Our defense is still going to be better then yours (Granted, I do like how agressive the Jets's D has been playing), we are deeper at receiver, better TE, better Rbs. If our O-line matures quickly and plays well, we become a better team then you guys. The only thing that is keeping this team from being competitive is QB.

 

[nyjunc]

Ricky's 2 seasons with Miami, he out rushed Curtis, that simple.

He has had ONE better season, Ricky averaged 3.5 YPC in 2003, he was not better. Curtis is a HOFer, Ricky is talent wasted. By the way Curtis' last 2 years were better than Ricky's last 2 years.

Ok, so if we go by your reasoning, Chad Pennington is coming off major surgry, has played very little in his career, so he is also an unknown, and would not start in Miami.

Chad has led the NFL in passing, Chad has led his team to the div rd of the playoffs in 2 of his 3 seasons and Chad has shown his arm is fine. Boston has been in the league 6 years and had 1 great year and only been over 1,000 twice and has never played in a playoff game.

No, but at least Ronnie Brown has proven he can Block, and can catch the ball very well out of the backfield. Also, in preseason so far, Ronnie has rushed for 4.1 yards a carry, while Blaylock 3.7. So actually as of now, advantage Brown.

Ronnie hasn't proven a thing, it's preseason and the game is slower. He is in for a rude awakening week 1. I think he's going to be good but it's not going to be right away.

No you do not have more talent then us, you just happen to have more talent where it counts (QB), Our defense is still going to be better then yours (Granted, I do like how agressive the Jets's D has been playing), we are deeper at receiver, better TE, better Rbs. If our O-line matures quickly and plays well, we become a better team then you guys. The only thing that is keeping this team from being competitive is QB.

Better QB- check
Better RB- check
Better OL- check
Better TE- No
Better WRs- about even
Better FB- check
Better DL- check
Better LB's- check
Better Secondary- Check
Better STs- TBD
More experience- check

We are alot mroe talented than you guys, you guys aren't near as talented as you were a few years ago qwhen your talent was vastly overrated.

 

[tay0365]

He has had ONE better season, Ricky averaged 3.5 YPC in 2003, he was not better. Curtis is a HOFer, Ricky is talent wasted. By the way Curtis' last 2 years were better than Ricky's last 2 years.

Actually he had two, because he ran for more yards then your man, and Ricky was running behind an infierior Line then the Jets had (Even you have to admit that). If you still consider it a better year for Curtis, then I guess you also must think Ricky had a better year in 2001, when he averaged 4.0 to Martins 3.8.

Chad has led the NFL in passing, Chad has led his team to the div rd of the playoffs in 2 of his 3 seasons and Chad has shown his arm is fine. Boston has been in the league 6 years and had 1 great year and only been over 1,000 twice and has never played in a playoff game.

Chad has also really only had one great year, been out for 3-4 games per season for the last 3 years, and is one dimensional (most of his passes are thrown for 20 yards or less). Boston on the other hand has been a force where ever he has played, in 6 years he has averaged 16 yards a catch (you seem to like the what a player averaged stat) and never less then 12 yards a catch. he has gotten 70 catches or more 3 times, over 1000 yards 2 times.

Ronnie hasn't proven a thing, it's preseason and the game is slower. He is in for a rude awakening week 1. I think he's going to be good but it's not going to be right away..

Ah, but he has proven something, and that is he looked better in the preseason then Blaylock. Whether slower/faster, easier/harder in preseason, Brown has looked better.



Better QB- check (True, unless you lose Penny...which is very possible)
Better RB- check (Nope, wrong here)
Better OL- check (True, but the quesion is, for how long)
Better TE- No (True, you guys have prblems here)
Better WRs- about even (Nope, like I said our #3 starts for your team)
Better FB- check (nope...TBD)
Better DL- check (Nope, Actually it is even...maybe Miami is a little better)
Better LB's- check (Even)
Better Secondary- Check (Nope, your best Corner is coming off major
surgery)
Better STs- TBD (Actually, big NO, you have no Punter, and a rookie Kicker)
More experience- check (Actually again, check our team, there is way more with us)

We are alot mroe talented than you guys, you guys aren't near as talented as you were a few years ago qwhen your talent was vastly overrated.

Please, if Miami had not lost so many players, your team would have againg been looking at Miami from the bottom....then again we would not have Saban, so maybe it is good it happened.

Listen we are going back and forth, it is obvious that you are deluded enough to think that the team Mimai will have on the field this year is closer to last years version, then the 2003, even though the roster looks closer to 2003. I guess wait and see. :D

 

[nyjunc]

Actually he had two, because he ran for more yards then your man, and Ricky was running behind an infierior Line then the Jets had (Even you have to admit that). If you still consider it a better year for Curtis, then I guess you also must think Ricky had a better year in 2001, when he averaged 4.0 to Martins 3.8.

In 2001 Curtis averaged 4.5 and lost the rushing title in Week 17. 2000 Curtis averaged 3.8 while Ricky averaged slightly better but ricky only had 1,000 yds. Ricky has had ONE better year than Curtis.

Chad has also really only had one great year, been out for 3-4 games per season for the last 3 years, and is one dimensional (most of his passes are thrown for 20 yards or less). Boston on the other hand has been a force where ever he has played, in 6 years he has averaged 16 yards a catch (you seem to like the what a player averaged stat) and never less then 12 yards a catch. he has gotten 70 catches or more 3 times, over 1000 yards 2 times.

Chad is a top 5-10 QB, Boston now is nowhere near top 10 WRs. he has had 2 1,000 yd seasons so please tell me how he has been this great force everywhere he's been. Those 2 seasons happened in Ari, at SD he had lesss than 900 yds than in Miami he didn't play oh and he averages 15 yards a catch and did his best work in Ari where they threw all the time b/c they were always behind. Where do yuo get your stats from b/c they are all wrong?

Ah, but he has proven something, and that is he looked better in the preseason then Blaylock.

All 11 carries he has proven he is better than a proven player in Blaylock who has everaged 4./6 YPC in his career

Better QB- check (True, unless you lose Penny...which is very possible)

Fiedler is better than Gus and AJ and I'd say brooks is better than AJ so no matter what happens we'll be better.

Better RB- check (Nope, wrong here)

Let's see HOF RB w/ great backup vs. crackhead, unpredictable, overrated Ricky and a rookie? Edge Jets.

Better OL- check (True, but the quesion is, for how long)

For the near future at least.

Better TE- No (True, you guys have prblems here)

We have no problems at TE. Baker is a good pass/catch TE, Jolley can catch and Dreesen will be starting w/in 2 years.

Better WRs- about even (Nope, like I said our #3 starts for your team)

Your #3 does not start for us, how is that possible when yuor #2 wouldn't start for us? Coles is the best of the bunch and we have great depth, you guys MAY have great depth but you have vets w/ huge question marks and your #1 isn't a legit #1.

Better FB- check (nope...TBD)

Sowell is one of the best in the business.

Better DL- check (Nope, Actually it is even...maybe Miami is a little better)

We have the best DE duo in the game and we have an emerging force at DT who is by far better than any of your DTs. This isn't close.

Better LB's- check (Even

Zach is getting old and he's your best, both Vilma and Barton are better than Zach att his point. We have the better LBs.

Better Secondary- Check (Nope, your best Corner is coming off major

OK, you lost your best corner and your 2nd best isn't half the player he once was.

Better STs- TBD (Actually, big NO, you have no Punter, and a rookie Kicker)

You are going to love our Punter, not only does he have an unreal leg but he puts a unique spin on it which makes it difficult to catch. He will be a major weapon as will Nugent who was 4 for 4 in preseason and every one straight down the middle PLUS we have a STs coach you may remember as the best in the business in Mike Westhoff.

More experience- check (Actually again, check our team, there is way more with us)

How is that possible? Our team has been to the playoffs 3 of 4 years, you guys have't been there since 2001. The only starters for us not to have playoff experience are Adrian Jones and Kerry Rhodes while for you your QB has never played in a playoff game, your backup has never won one, your starting RB is a rook, Chambers has played in 1 playoff game 4 years ago, Boston has never played in a palyoff game, Booker just one. You don't have more big game experience and whatever you have your team has probably forgotten since it was so long ago.

Please, if Miami had not lost so many players, your team would have againg been looking at Miami from the bottom

Again? We have been to the playoffs 3 of 4 years, you guys haven't been there in 4 years, we have a recent div title in '02 while your last is '00, yuo haven't won a playoff game since 2000 so please don't act like you've been better.

Listen we are going back and forth, it is obvious that you are deluded enough to think that the team Mimai will have on the field this year is closer to last years version, then the 2003, even though the roster looks closer to 2003. I guess wait and see.

I definitely think you will be better but yes closer to 4-12 than 10-6, I think 6-7 wins is a nice step and I think w/ solid offseason moevs you'll be playoff contenders in '06.

 

[Finland]

I think if it is not AVERAGE with our problems with Oline, Defensive backs and new systems, it could be a 4-12 season in this division. With average QB play we are 6-10, with average play happening early in the season (the key) and therefor allowing other things to grow we could be a wild card at 10-6.