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There are several other options at OLB:

ROUND 2 - Cliff Avril from Purdue 6-3 253 4.59
ROUND 3 - Bruce Davis from UCLA 6-3 252 4.78
ROUND 4 - Jeremy Thompson from Wake Forest 6-5 264 4.75
ROUND 5 - Gary Guyton from Georgia Tech 6-2 245 4.47
ROUND 6 - Stanford Keglar from Purdue 6-2 239 4.58
ROUND 7 - Jonal Saint-Dic from Michigan State 6-1 255 4.76

Any one of those guys could line up and play on day 1.
 
"if"??? there is no way we take Chris Long. Jake Long or Matt Ryan are the only picks that make sense if we stay put.
 
That's why I would prefer Jake Long as the first pick, but if we take Chris Long, I won't be broken up about it. :wink:
 
Cliff Avril from Purdue will be an excellent player in the nfl. Remember that name. Avril not advil.
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Finole said:
There are several other options at OLB:

ROUND 2 - Cliff Avril from Purdue 6-3 253 4.59
ROUND 3 - Bruce Davis from UCLA 6-3 252 4.78
ROUND 4 - Jeremy Thompson from Wake Forest 6-5 264 4.75
ROUND 5 - Gary Guyton from Georgia Tech 6-2 245 4.47
ROUND 6 - Stanford Keglar from Purdue 6-2 239 4.58
ROUND 7 - Jonal Saint-Dic from Michigan State 6-1 255 4.76

Any one of those guys could line up and play on day 1.
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I think you could add some guys to that. Also I think you have some guys higher and lower than where I have them right now. You could definitely be right. Slotting isnt my strength but here's the guys I would add and the board as I would have it set up

Rd 1 or 2 - Quentin Groves Auburn 6'3 249 4.43
Rd 1 or 2 - Lawrence Jackson USC 6'4 261 4.75
Rd 2 or 3 - Cliff Avril Purdue 6'3 253 4.59
Rd 2 or 3 - Bruce Davis UCLA 6'3 252 4.78
Rd 2 or 3 - Jeremy Thompson Wake Forest 6'5 264 4.75
Rd 3 or 4 - Darrell Robertson Georgia Tech 6'3 247 4.75
Rd 4 or 5 - Bryan Kehl BYU 6'2 234 4.65
Rd 6 or 7 - Gary Guyton Georgia Tech 6'2 245 4.47
Rd 7 - Stanford Keglar Purdue 6'2 239 4.58
Rd 7 - Jonal St Dic Michigan State 6'1 255 4.76


One of the reasons I would bypass C Long (one of many) is I think Jackson has an outside shot of slipping to us at 32. Groves is probably mid round first but you never know how drafts play out. Worst case I think Bruce Davis or Jeremy Thompson would be the guys I target
 
adamprez2003 said:
I think you could add some guys to that. Also I think you have some guys higher and lower than where I have them right now. You could definitely be right. Slotting isnt my strength but here's the guys I would add and the board as I would have it set up

Rd 1 or 2 - Quentin Groves Auburn 6'3 249 4.43
Rd 1 or 2 - Lawrence Jackson USC 6'4 261 4.75
Rd 2 or 3 - Cliff Avril Purdue 6'3 253 4.59
Rd 2 or 3 - Bruce Davis UCLA 6'3 252 4.78
Rd 2 or 3 - Jeremy Thompson Wake Forest 6'5 264 4.75
Rd 3 or 4 - Darrell Robertson Georgia Tech 6'3 247 4.75
Rd 4 or 5 - Bryan Kehl BYU 6'2 234 4.65
Rd 6 or 7 - Gary Guyton Georgia Tech 6'2 245 4.47
Rd 7 - Stanford Keglar Purdue 6'2 239 4.58
Rd 7 - Jonal St Dic Michigan State 6'1 255 4.76


One of the reasons I would bypass C Long (one of many) is I think Jackson has an outside shot of slipping to us at 32. Groves is probably mid round first but you never know how drafts play out. Worst case I think Bruce Davis or Jeremy Thompson would be the guys I target
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If we pass on Chris Long, Bruce Davis would be my first choice.

There are definitely guys who can be added to the list. And I think you mentioned most of them. But I was limiting my choices to one guy per round, and guys I consider potential starters.

Quentin Groves is definitely an option. I'm not crazy about the injury bug that plagued him this season, though. I've got his official 40 at the Combine as being 4.57 and Avril's as 4.59. They're pretty comparable athletes I think, but Avril may be a better fit for the 3-4 defense. For those reasons I give Avril the nod. Plus he's more likely to be on the board in the 2nd round.

Lawrence Jackson is another possiblity. But he doesn't have any experience at OLB and is more likely to play DE in a 4-3 I think. Plus he ran a little slower than 4.75 at the Combine. His official time was 4.82. According to NFL Draft Scout he could slip to us in the 3rd round. And if I'm picking an OLB in the 3rd round it's gonna be Bruce Davis.

Darrell Robertson is another guy fighting the injury bug. Also, according to NFL Draft Scout he is a 2nd rounder. And if I'm taking an OLB in the 2nd round it's gonna be Cliff Avril.

I like Kehl too. Just not as much as Guyton. Either one would be a nice addition though.

Stanford Keglar is definitely an athlete. After the way he crushed the Combine there's no way he makes to the 7th round. (See Antwan Barnes.) He'd actually be my last choice, though, as I'm not sure he's as good a football player as he is an athlete.

Jonal Saint-Dic is simply a playmaker and a football player. I can't believe he wasn't invited to the Combine. But I'm glad he wasn't if it means we end up stealing him in the 7th round.
 
I can remember J.J. talking about finding serviceable LB in rounds 2nd thru 4th. JT was 3rd pick, correct?
 
fishypete said:
You forgot Rivers.
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If we pass on Chris Long then I'm assuming our next opportunity to draft an OLB will be in the 2nd round. So Rivers won't be on the board. Neither will Gholston, Merling, or Harvey.
 
I haven't seen my favorie option B mentioned yet.

Shawn Crable from Michigan is known for getting to the quarterback. I'd really like him at 59 or 64.
 
Few other possibilities:

Curtis Gatewood-Vanderbilt. Defensive lineman at Vanderbilt, but definitely athletic enough to move to OLB in the 3-4.

Chris Ellis-Va Tech. Another converted defensive lineman. Very fast.

Shawn Crable-Michigan. One of the most athletic linebacker prospects in this draft, and one of the few that wouldn't have to be converted from DE in order to fit the 3-4.

Jameel McClain-Syracuse. Probably a late round flyer, but has size, speed and has played with Pasqualoni before.

A few notes:
Merling's probably going to be available in the second and possibly into the third. His combine and Pro Day scores have been abysmal. And this isn't, "well the guy just knows how to play football so who cares" kind of stuff.

Jimmy Johnson was able to find linebackers in rds 2-4 because his scheme relied on a type of player that no one else was using at the time: fast and undersized.

I like Kehl, but his lack of athleticism probably makes him a no go for Parcells.

I really like Guyton. I've heard some Yellowjackets make noises about Guyton actually being a bit better than Wheeler, just used in a different way.

Jeremy Thompson looks more like a 4-3 right end than a linebacker. He apparently isn't a very instinctive player.
 
We are taking one of the Longs. Matt Ryan wont be our selection. Parcells isnt going to throw our pick away like that.
 
Aqua4Ever04 said:
I haven't seen my favorie option B mentioned yet.

Shawn Crable from Michigan is known for getting to the quarterback. I'd really like him at 59 or 64.
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Crable used to be listed among the 1st rounders, now he's got a 3rd round grade. There's a reason his stock has dropped.
 
daninoz said:
Few other possibilities:

Curtis Gatewood-Vanderbilt. Defensive lineman at Vanderbilt, but definitely athletic enough to move to OLB in the 3-4.

Chris Ellis-Va Tech. Another converted defensive lineman. Very fast.

Shawn Crable-Michigan. One of the most athletic linebacker prospects in this draft, and one of the few that wouldn't have to be converted from DE in order to fit the 3-4.

Jameel McClain-Syracuse. Probably a late round flyer, but has size, speed and has played with Pasqualoni before.

A few notes:
Merling's probably going to be available in the second and possibly into the third. His combine and Pro Day scores have been abysmal. And this isn't, "well the guy just knows how to play football so who cares" kind of stuff.

Jimmy Johnson was able to find linebackers in rds 2-4 because his scheme relied on a type of player that no one else was using at the time: fast and undersized.

I like Kehl, but his lack of athleticism probably makes him a no go for Parcells.

I really like Guyton. I've heard some Yellowjackets make noises about Guyton actually being a bit better than Wheeler, just used in a different way.

Jeremy Thompson looks more like a 4-3 right end than a linebacker. He apparently isn't a very instinctive player.
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I would agree with you about Thompson, except the Fins have shown an interest in him which means they must think he's an OLB candidate. Also, NFL Draft Scout lists OLB as a 2nd position for him.

Guyton is the man. He will be a steal for somebody. Hopefully us.

Actually Kehl had a very good Combine. Like you, I didn't consider him athletic. But he ran 4.68 in the 40. His short shuttle was faster than Guyton and Wheeler. And he's strong too: 26 reps of 225 lb. So Kehl proved to be more athletic than I thought.

Merling didn't work out at the Combine because of a groin injury, and his Pro Day hasn't happened yet. I think you're thinking of somebody else. Merling's stock is rising and he currently has a solid 1st round grade. Another reason scouts like him is because he played with Gaines Adams last year. Adams was a Top Ten pick, and Merling said he learned a lot being Adams' teammate.

Gatewood, Ellis, and McClain are all possibilities.

Good point about JJ. I agree.
 
Quintin Groves at #32 would be amazing...
 
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