If We Had Elite QB Play

[WVDolphan]

honestly, joe flacco aside from that big int, he came right back down the field for the ravens on which should have been the game winning td to evans, or at worst, the game tying field goal. flacco started off slow, but got much better as the game went along.

as for smith, ya he stunk it up for the most part, but how was eli clutch yesterday?

ill admit im an eli ***** so it maybe a bit biased, but from what i saw, i saw a giant offense in the 2nd half that didnt do ****, led by eli manning. every single drive they were going 3 and out, or punting in the end. their 2 scoring drives were set up by one of the more boneheaded plays in nfl postseason history when kyle williams decided not to field that ball, and worse let it touch him giving the giants the ball at the 25 of san fran, and then in ot, same thing, giants offense did nothing, but the giants made a special teams play giving them the ball at the 20, setting up a chip shot fg a few plays later.

eli played well vs atlanta and green bay, but yesterday he was not good, credit the 49ers defense also.

Get real.

Ive been telling people for years that Eli is on that elite level, and most people didnt even want to put him in their top 10 QBs.

What Eli did yesterday was one of the most amazing, balls out, performances I have ever seen by a QB......

Facing the top D in the league, a D that hits hard a hell, with no running game to speak of, complete predictability on offense because of this factor, Eli drops back to throw 58 times. Thats FIFTY EIGHT times. And in those 58 times Eli is getting pounded about half of the time. He takes hit after hit and keeps getting up. The Giants screen game isnt even working which makes this even more difficult. But, despite no run game to keep the D off balance, despite getting hit time after time, not only does Eli make enough plays to win, he NEVER TURNED THE BALL OVER. 58 throws against that defense, taking those hits, and no run game or screen game available, facing that pass rush, and he still does not throw an INT of lose a fumble on a sack.

That is one helluva performance.

 

[JCane]

You see Eli complete that 30+ yard pass up the sideline to Bradshaw....in coverage? That was his FOURTH read after he managed to escape the from four because his offensive line just **** the bed. Very few QBs can make that throw in great weather at home. Much less in poor weather on the road. Dude took sack after sack. Most QBs ate rattled by that. Not Eli. Dude just dusts himself off, rolls his eyes at his piss poor offensive line, and completes passes while trying to avoid pressure. That dude was incredible yesterday.

 

[Ilovemyfins4eva]

Get real.

Ive been telling people for years that Eli is on that elite level, and most people didnt even want to put him in their top 10 QBs.

What Eli did yesterday was one of the most amazing, balls out, performances I have ever seen by a QB......

Facing the top D in the league, a D that hits hard a hell, with no running game to speak of, complete predictability on offense because of this factor, Eli drops back to throw 58 times. Thats FIFTY EIGHT times. And in those 58 times Eli is getting pounded about half of the time. He takes hit after hit and keeps getting up. The Giants screen game isnt even working which makes this even more difficult. But, despite no run game to keep the D off balance, despite getting hit time after time, not only does Eli make enough plays to win, he NEVER TURNED THE BALL OVER. 58 throws against that defense, taking those hits, and no run game or screen game available, facing that pass rush, and he still does not throw an INT of lose a fumble on a sack.

That is one helluva performance.

geez, i will get real lol, im still trying to comprehend though.

yes he threw the ball 58 times, so what, does that make his performance yesterday great? eli manning was not the main reason they won yesterday as i have pointed out at least from the game i watched yesterday that the giants offense, led by eli manning, continuously punted in the 2nd half, and scored their only td due to kyle williams boneheaded play.

if eli manning gets the bulk of the credit for yesterdays win, then i give up, then i guess no matter what happens in an nfl game, the qb should be given credit no matter what.

i will admit it was remarkable how he continued to get hit and continued to get back up on his feet, his throw to bradshaw late in the 4th that continued the drive, although ending in a punt was remarkable the way he was getting pressured, but overall, the main reason the giants won yesterday was defense and kyle williams boneheaded play.


if you want to say eli manning is elite, ok, but yesterday specifically, i dont care what defense he was playing, his offense led by him continued to punt on every drive in the 2nd half, i just dont see how he gets the bulk of the credit.

 

[BahamaFinFan78]

im sorry, and as i said, i admittedly hate the giants, mainly due to having tons of giant fan friends who are annoying as hell about them, but what did eli manning do to play well in the 4th qtr yesterday or in the 2nd half alone?

they were punting every freaking drive they had, and if not for that fool kyle williams, 49ers prob win a great defensive battle 14-10.

if you wanna say eli is elite, go ahead thats fine, but im talking about yesterdays game specifically.

So who you gonna root for in the Super Bowl? I fell in love with the Giants when they took the perfect season away from Brady. They have a soft spot in my heart.

 

[Ilovemyfins4eva]

You see Eli complete that 30+ yard pass up the sideline to Bradshaw....in coverage? That was his FOURTH read after he managed to escape the from four because his offensive line just **** the bed. Very few QBs can make that throw in great weather at home. Much less in poor weather on the road. Dude took sack after sack. Most QBs ate rattled by that. Not Eli. Dude just dusts himself off, rolls his eyes at his piss poor offensive line, and completes passes while trying to avoid pressure. That dude was incredible yesterday.

yes, i did see those throws, those were great throws, not denying that.

my point was, yesterdays game specifically, despite some very nice throws, the giants team was punting at the end of every drive in the 2nd half, so the notion that he played great in the 2nd half is ridiculous.

again, u want to say hes elite, go ahead, but im speaking yesterday specifically, they won on defense and kyle williams. eli made some big throws, but almost all of the drives he made some nice throws, they all ended on punts. what good is that?

And people who say he did this vs a top defense, fine no denying the 49ers great d, but isnt that what makes an elite qb, playing well vs elite ds? drew brees last week marched down the field not once, but twice on the 49ers defense and gave his team tds to take the lead. eli didnt do that, he was set up by kyle williams, and was punting every drive in the 2nd half.

is he good overall? yes. yesterday however, give the credit where it was due.

 

[JCane]

Every drive but that one where he threw that impossible dagger to Mario Manningham for that huge touchdown, right?

Yeah, yesterday was quite possibly Eli's best playoff performance outside of that Super Bowl.

Most road victories in the playoffs by any QB period.

It's almost like people can't like both Peyton and Eli. It's like they have to love one but hate the other.

 

[BahamaFinFan78]

"Thou cannot serve two Mannings; either you will love the one and despise the other or hate one and love the other. You cannot serve Peyton and Eli"

 

[Ilovemyfins4eva]

So who you gonna root for in the Super Bowl? I fell in love with the Giants when they took the perfect season away from Brady. They have a soft spot in my heart.

im in a very tough situation.

if i lived anywhere else but ny, and didnt have many annoying douche bag giant fan friends, or didnt work with tons of giant fans who are ****y as hell., then the giants would be the no brainer.

that being said, i actually cant root for the patriots, so i will just root for a good game, and whoever wins, i will look at the bright side.

giants win- brady and belichick go home disappointed, and pat fans also.

pats win- all my giant fan buddies will shut the hell up.

its a win/win and a lose/lose if that makes sense, lol

 

[Ilovemyfins4eva]

Every drive but that one where he threw that impossible dagger to Mario Manningham for that huge touchdown, right?

Yeah, yesterday was quite possibly Eli's best playoff performance outside of that Super Bowl.

Most road victories in the playoffs by any QB period.

It's almost like people can't like both Peyton and Eli. It's like they have to love one but hate the other.

yes, that was the td set up by a incredibly boneheaded play by williams, and does not happen otherwise. that happened right after the giants punted from their own 10.

heck even in ot, the giants got the ball twice and punted both times. was it a gutsy performance? no doubt, cant deny that.

 

[JCane]

I've been a closet Giants fan for years. Always felt like I owed them a great deal of gratitude for beating the Bills in that Super Bowl.

Those Buffalo teams sent me to bed crying many times as a young Dolphin fan.

 

[BahamaFinFan78]

So back to my original thought, if we would have had Brees on this team this past year-Super bowl contender or would Sporano's coaching and Columbo's turnstiling gotten him killed or held him back?

 

[WVDolphan]

geez, i will get real lol, im still trying to comprehend though.

yes he threw the ball 58 times, so what, does that make his performance yesterday great? eli manning was not the main reason they won yesterday as i have pointed out at least from the game i watched yesterday that the giants offense, led by eli manning, continuously punted in the 2nd half, and scored their only td due to kyle williams boneheaded play.

if eli manning gets the bulk of the credit for yesterdays win, then i give up, then i guess no matter what happens in an nfl game, the qb should be given credit no matter what.

i will admit it was remarkable how he continued to get hit and continued to get back up on his feet, his throw to bradshaw late in the 4th that continued the drive, although ending in a punt was remarkable the way he was getting pressured, but overall, the main reason the giants won yesterday was defense and kyle williams boneheaded play.


if you want to say eli manning is elite, ok, but yesterday specifically, i dont care what defense he was playing, his offense led by him continued to punt on every drive in the 2nd half, i just dont see how he gets the bulk of the credit.

The point is for you to name me the QB who in these very same circumstances, drops back at least 60 times and never turns the ball over. Thats the point. Also, admit that if Eli were to have turned the ball over even so much as one time yesterday, the Giants likely lose that game.

Here are the FACTS. These are the circumstances under which Eli Manning dropped back over 60 times yesterday and still never turned it over.

1) The 9ers D is excellent. One of the best a QB could ever face.
2) Eli took a TON of hits yesterday from a D that hits hard as hell.
3) The Giants had no run game to speak of due to the 9ers defense and therefore the Giants offense was very predictable. Throw in that the Giants screen game was completely taken away by that defense as well and it makes for throwing the ball an even more difficult task than usual.
4) The field was cold, wet, and muddy. The footballs were wet, the wind was blowing, and it was raining most of the game.

Go ahead and tell me the QB besides Eli Manning yesterday who drops back that many times and still never throws an INT or loses a fumble in those circumstances. When you can tell me who that guy is, let me know if he's a HOF himself or not. Fact is, even if you could name a guy who could do that, dude will be an elite player himself just like Eli. Honestly, I cant think of the player who I feel couldve pulled that off.

 

[Ilovemyfins4eva]

I've been a closet Giants fan for years. Always felt like I owed them a great deal of gratitude for beating the Bills in that Super Bowl.

Those Buffalo teams sent me to bed crying many times as a young Dolphin fan.

explains why you feel slightly bias towards the giants, while i admittedly hate the giants, so i am biased against them, lol

when i talk about manning, i talk about yesterdays game. im sorry if people want to go crazy on me and tell me im an idiot, but yesterdays specific game, he was not clutch really, im sorry. it was gutsy getting hit time and time and getting right back up, and he did make some big time throws no doubt, but when the giants started in their own territory every drive in the 2nd half and ot, it resulted in punts.

i feel that he is getting more credit due to who he is.

if tony romo, or michael vick, or even joe flacco have a game like yesterday, i bet you we here how they would have to play better and step up their games, but since its eli manning, it was a great performance. thats what bothers me.

 

[Ilovemyfins4eva]

The point is for you to name me the QB who in these very same circumstances, drops back at least 60 times and never turns the ball over. Thats the point. Also, admit that if Eli were to have turned the ball over even so much as one time yesterday, the Giants likely lose that game.

Here are the FACTS. These are the circumstances under which Eli Manning dropped back over 60 times yesterday and still never turned it over.

1) The 9ers D is excellent. One of the best a QB could ever face.
2) Eli took a TON of hits yesterday from a D that hits hard as hell.
3) The Giants had no run game to speak of due to the 9ers defense and therefore the Giants offense was very predictable. Throw in that the Giants screen game was completely taken away by that defense as well and it makes for throwing the ball an even more difficult task than usual.
4) The field was cold, wet, and muddy. The footballs were wet, the wind was blowing, and it was raining most of the game.

Go ahead and tell me the QB besides Eli Manning yesterday who drops back that many times and still never throws an INT or loses a fumble in those circumstances. When you can tell me who that guy is, let me know if he's a HOF himself or not. Fact is, even if you could name a guy who could do that, dude will be an elite player himself just like Eli. Honestly, I cant think of the player who I feel couldve pulled that off.

if you want to say he didnt turn the ball over, well yes officially he didnt.

but im sure you saw, eli made a few throws that would have been picked off if not for 2 defenders running into eachother, and he also fumbled the ball i believe but was recovered by the giants.

look, im not saying he wasnt gutsy yesterday. most qbs get hit like that, they are shakened up, etc. he did make big throws no doubt, but if you saw the same game as i did yesterday, you then saw a giant offense that punted every possession they had in the 2nd half and in ot that started in their own territory. that is all i am saying.

if you think he is elite, you still should think so. i just dont think yesterdays performance was as great as everyone is making it out to be. it was gutsy more than great.

both qbs were not good, but special teams blunders were the difference, because both defenses were stout.

now please tell me to get real and explain to me differently, lol. i like you as a poster, i think you are one of the best, but i just disagree with you here, specifically about giving eli the main credit for the win yesterday.

 

[JCane]

Tony Romo talent wise is one of the top five QBs in the league.

However, he doesn't have the mental stability that Eli has. Romo could have played the exact same game for three quarters but he would have folded in the fourth quarter. Eli doesn't. He's one of the smartest QBs in the league and definitely the smartest presnap QB.

And that's why Eli is elite because he can win that game where as a lot of other QBs lose.