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I'm not saying that Joey is the answer but...

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I'd like to get some opinions from fellow fin fans here....Is it time to put in Harrington or should this be Culpepper's show for a little (or a long) while more?

I realize that I might get bashed for saying this but I was actually in favor of signing Harrington ever since Detroit released him. Even after Pepper was signed I made a post stating that I wish we would have signed Joey instead (then I did get my wish a few weeks later).

Now I'm not saying that Joey is the answer or anything like that but I honestly feel that C-Pep is overrated. He is a physical speciman, this cannot be denied but he also is:

a. prone to fumbling
b. prone to throwing Int's (especially at crucial times), AND
c. prone to holding onto the ball way too long

These are 3 crucial strikes against a QB and I'm not so sure that these ills can be cured...however, I'll gladly be the first to say I was dead wrong if and when Pepper rights our ship and takes us to some wins.
 
i totally agree and think about it in detroit harrington played with like one good reciever no running back and a crappy defence... in miami he has ronnie brown chris chambers randy mac and a pretty good defence to get him the ball.
 
Seriously guys, how man of these threads do we have to see? It's getting very old having to explain why Joey will do no better than Daunte.
 
phatmatt said:
I'd like to get some opinions from fellow fin fans here....Is it time to put in Harrington or should this be Culpepper's show for a little (or a long) while more?

I realize that I might get bashed for saying this but I was actually in favor of signing Harrington ever since Detroit released him. Even after Pepper was signed I made a post stating that I wish we would have signed Joey instead (then I did get my wish a few weeks later).

Now I'm not saying that Joey is the answer or anything like that but I honestly feel that C-Pep is overrated. He is a physical speciman, this cannot be denied but he also is:

a. prone to fumbling
b. prone to throwing Int's (especially at crucial times), AND
c. prone to holding onto the ball way too long

These are 3 crucial strikes against a QB and I'm not so sure that these ills can be cured...however, I'll gladly be the first to say I was dead wrong if and when Pepper rights our ship and takes us to some wins.
I totally agree i was really kinda upset when we did not get Brees because he seems much smarter and i watched Daunte a lot at the begining of last year and he played almost as bad as he has this year he was like 6 tds 12 ints he seems completly dumb however if Saban can help him it would be nice but i wont hold my breath because Daunte seems Dumb lets put Joey in if Daunte plays like that again even if we are just down by 13 at halftime this week i think Daunte maybe able to learn some from Joey even though he might not be the guy either we should learn before its all to late for this year we can put Joey in and if he sucks we can always go to Cleo Lemon or bring Daunte back in :tongue:
 
I didn't start this thread to bash Pep (though looking at it now it could definitely be taken that way). I guess what I was trying to state is that sometimes, it is better to go with the less physically gifted but smarter QB. Like I said, Culpepper is an absolute beast with a rocket arm and great mobility (at least at one time) but if you look around the league, it is the 'smart' QB who consistently wins.

Think about this, Brady and Manning, arguably the 2 best QB's in the game are not overly athletic. Neither can scramble and neither has an arm as strong as Culpeppers but you would be crazy if you'd pick him over them. On the other hand, arguably the most physically gifted QB in the game, Michael Vick in no way can be placed ahead of these guys. In a rare situation when you have a 'smart' QB who is also a speciman (something like McNabb has evolved into I think) you are in a win-win situation.

In summation, I believe that Harrington is the 'smarter' QB and might be a better choice at this moment. This being said however, I'm quite ready to admit that when pressure starts flying at his face my theory might be far from reality. I've just wanted Harrington to start from the get-go so I do carry a little bias.
 
We need a win. The goal is a Superbowl ring. If what we are doing isn't working it's time to try something (or somebody) else. The Dolphins as a whole looked like ameteurs against the Bills. I say lets try something new.
 
another thread bashing pep, harrington is a bust, you guys seem more happy at bashing a player then bashing the team, i mean chris looks awesome, the oline is dominant, the defense is unstoppable, the play calling is excellent,

it is pathetic that you blame one person on the team, if we lose is it

bills 16 daunte 6

No it is bills 16 miami 6
 
You're probably right that Daunte is getting too much negative attention but it comes with the QB territory. When they win they probably get too much credit and when they lose they probably get too much criticism.

On the other hand, there is no and can be no debate at the other positions because we ALL know that our starting WR's, OL, DL, etc...are the best that we have. Chambers, the O-line, D-line, secondary, etc. may not be playing great but there is absolutely nobody behind them depth wise who even might give us a better chance of winning. The same cannot be said about our QB's because there is actually a chance (even if it is slim) that Harrington would outperform Pepper right now.
 
phatmatt said:
You're probably right that Daunte is getting too much negative attention but it comes with the QB territory. When they win they probably get too much credit and when they lose they probably get too much criticism.

On the other hand, there is no and can be no debate at the other positions because we ALL know that our starting WR's, OL, DL, etc...are the best that we have. Chambers, the O-line, D-line, secondary, etc. may not be playing great but there is absolutely nobody behind them depth wise who even might give us a better chance of winning. The same cannot be said about our QB's because there is actually a chance (even if it is slim) that Harrington would outperform Pepper right now.

like dan deirdorff(spelling?) said, go look at the game footage the recievers were getting knocked around by the bills rookie corners dan made numerous comments that daunte had no one to throw to

by the time he looked downfield and cameback to check down, the pressure was in his face, all qbs in the league would have been sacked, look at peyton against new england when marvin and the rest of the reciever core were being man handled by the pats, peyton through numerous ints and bad passes into triple coverage

when the recievers are getting knocked off of routes and out performed what are you supposed to do?
 
phatmatt said:
Is it time to put in Harrington or should this be Culpepper's show for a little (or a long) while more?

Now I'm not saying that Joey is the answer or anything like that but I honestly feel that C-Pep is overrated. He is a physical speciman, this cannot be denied but he also is:

a. prone to fumbling
b. prone to throwing INT's (especially at crucial times), AND
c. prone to holding onto the ball way too long
Great post. You're not the only one here. But my answer to your 1st question is, the TEAM made their decision - and we have to stick by that and support C-Pepp at least for now. That does NOT mean we pretend he's playing well - obviously he is not! I'm with Saban, what he said today. Any player including the QB needs to perform or the Team will look to make changes.

Long term many of us agree with you. Not drinking the Coldpooper Kool-aid. Don't believe he is the solution at QB and so far, he's proving that to be correct. So far his play suggests those who have been all rah-rah Daunte are fooling themselves.

Funny the same crowd also says "Harrington is a bust" and again so far, Joey has shown they are wrong on that also. It's looking more and more like the exact opposite - Coldpooper the Bust, and Joey Harrington ready to lead a team to victory. :cooldude:
 
Wow @ basing "leading the team to victory" off of preseason performances.

You guys are amazing........this forum is getting worse by the POST.
 
Give Culpepper another half to play good football. If he is not making something happen by halftime vs. Tennessee it's time to bring Joey in. We cannot lose this game.
 
phatmatt said:
I'd like to get some opinions from fellow fin fans here....Is it time to put in Harrington or should this be Culpepper's show for a little (or a long) while more?

I realize that I might get bashed for saying this but I was actually in favor of signing Harrington ever since Detroit released him. Even after Pepper was signed I made a post stating that I wish we would have signed Joey instead (then I did get my wish a few weeks later).

Now I'm not saying that Joey is the answer or anything like that but I honestly feel that C-Pep is overrated. He is a physical speciman, this cannot be denied but he also is:

a. prone to fumbling
b. prone to throwing Int's (especially at crucial times), AND
c. prone to holding onto the ball way too long

These are 3 crucial strikes against a QB and I'm not so sure that these ills can be cured...however, I'll gladly be the first to say I was dead wrong if and when Pepper rights our ship and takes us to some wins.

You also forgot to mention he is not good at reading defenses and not good at going through his progressions.. Plus he is the type of QB that gets rattled rather easily .
 
I'd like to get some opinions from fellow fin fans here....Is it time to put in Harrington or should this be Culpepper's show for a little (or a long) while more?


You should look at one of the other 100 threads that have asked this question.
 
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