Im sorry but Im just not seeing it

[feeleyrox]

So we are probally gonna have Gus start? Why? because he has more expirence? COME ON!!! Theres a reason why he was released fom every team he played for after one or two years. plus hes used to the system? well if we put him in there because of that, we have a problem. He STILL would be the nly player on the team familiar with it. And from what I saw last year, Feeley played with more heart than almost any other QB. He took hit after hit after hit and still played.

 

[A Wing Pilot]

No one has been given the starting job yet. Gus and AJ both have a fair sot. remember that if the offense is slightly similar to the Vikes, then gus is at the 20 yard line while AJ is at the 5. AJ needs to play hard in practice and there is no doubt in my mind that he will win. Gus will be able to be a mentor to AJ and sage.

 

[#13FinsFan]

Saban will start the best QB based on performance in training camp and preseason. Whether its Feeley or Gus. Don't get all wound up on defending Feeley. If he is the better QB he will start. Saban is not stupid. However, it doesn't matter how much heart you have if you keep throwing the ball to the wrong team. Keep that in mind.

 

[Butterfrog 2.0]

Saban will start the best QB based on performance in training camp and preseason. Whether its Feeley or Gus. Don't get all wound up on defending Feeley. If he is the better QB he will start. Saban is not stupid. However, it doesn't matter how much heart you have if you keep throwing the ball to the wrong team. Keep that in mind.

EXCELLENT POST!!!! I love it......... For the first time in a long time we will have our best QB on the field reguardless of previous commitments, and player salary's

 

[Agua]

Don't underestimate the influence of Linehan's preference in this matter. I strongly suspect he was the prime mover in getting Frerotte in here. Frerotte may well be the "best" QB with his knowledge of the system, but do you sacrifice development of someone with greater upside because they're not as familiar with the system?

 

[Cannonboy]

Right now, nobodys got a lock on the qb position. This summer will hopefully decide it. Saban will make sure the right qb is out there regardless of who makes what and what kind of experience they had. The past is the past. He wants the guy who will get it done in the future.

 

[#13FinsFan]

No, but Feeley had the opportunity to prove his upside all last year. IMO Saban will play the person that gives you the best chance to win today. Whether its AJ or Gus. Honestly, do you think Saban believes either one of these guys is his long-term answer at QB? I don't believe Feeley is in the development stage here. He needs to outperform Gus or ride the bench. Thats the bottom line.

 

[SCall13]

Saban will start the best QB based on performance in training camp and preseason. Whether its Feeley or Gus. Don't get all wound up on defending Feeley. If he is the better QB he will start. Saban is not stupid. However, it doesn't matter how much heart you have if you keep throwing the ball to the wrong team. Keep that in mind.

Exactly. Heart doesn't make you a good QB. Talent and skills makes you a good QB.
AS far as I'm concerned, our QB of the future isn't a Dolphin yet. I don't know who it will be or where or when we'll get him. But I would bet with confidence it isn't AJ Feeley.

 

[SCall13]

Don't underestimate the influence of Linehan's preference in this matter. I strongly suspect he was the prime mover in getting Frerotte in here. Frerotte may well be the "best" QB with his knowledge of the system, but do you sacrifice development of someone with greater upside because they're not as familiar with the system?

I would like someone to prove to me AJ Feeley has this incredible "upside". What an overused word. Feeley made a couple of decent throws last year. But that doesn't show upside. Hell, Ryan Leaf threw a few good passes.
If Frerotte wins the job it won't be solely based on his knowledge of the system. It will be based on the fact that he is just better and has more "upside". That UPSIDE being the ability to lead the team with more success.

 

[SCall13]

No, but Feeley had the opportunity to prove his upside all last year. IMO Saban will play the person that gives you the best chance to win today. Whether its AJ or Gus. Honestly, do you think Saban believes either one of these guys is his long-term answer at QB? I don't believe Feeley is in the development stage here. He needs to outperform Gus or ride the bench. Thats the bottom line.

I agree. AJ Feeley is not a rookie. He is not in his second season. He has been in the league plenty of time to learn the nuances of being an NFL QB. If he doesn't beat Gus out, then it will be his last shot at being a starter. I seriously don't see Saban giving Feeley the starting job just for the sake of giving it to the younger player. Saban fully intends to be competitive this season and will start the QB who will make this team more competitive.

 

[Agua]

I would like someone to prove to me AJ Feeley has this incredible "upside". What an overused word. Feeley made a couple of decent throws last year. But that doesn't show upside. Hell, Ryan Leaf threw a few good passes.
If Frerotte wins the job it won't be solely based on his knowledge of the system. It will be based on the fact that he is just better and has more "upside". That UPSIDE being the ability to lead the team with more success.

First, if you can't make a point without exaggerating mine, don't use my language in quotations, thank you. I said nothing about an "incredible" upside. I said "greater" upside; greater simply means "more".

Second, the point was posed in a rhetorical manner. That is, if you *assume* there's a guy who is less familiar with the system but with more long term upside who can't presently perform as well as the guy who knows the system inside and out, do you play the guy who performs best right now or the guy who would play better in the long run?

Linehan is going to have a lot of influence on Saban's decision as to who should start and given his desire to get Frerotte in here, I'm not certain that the determination of what constitutes "best QB" is going to be determined in a manner that would be in the long term interests of the franchise.

As a matter of fact, I'll be surprised if Feeley does get the starting job. I may well be paranoid, but I fear a Wanny/Fiedler setup with Linehan.

[Edited for clarification]

 

[Dudeman]

So we are probally gonna have Gus start? Why? because he has more expirence? COME ON!!! Theres a reason why he was released fom every team he played for after one or two years. plus hes used to the system? well if we put him in there because of that, we have a problem. He STILL would be the nly player on the team familiar with it. And from what I saw last year, Feeley played with more heart than almost any other QB. He took hit after hit after hit and still played.

I've actually read posts like this a lot. Feeley lovers know that no decision has been made yet, but make posts about Gus and "why will he start-just because of more experience?" anyway so that more people will come in and help them defend AJ.

Saban will not play a QB for the future. He will play the best QB that will help them win this season. It doesn't matter if its Gus, or Sage, or AJ, or some bum off the street. If they win games, it doesn't matter how old they are.

 

[SCall13]

First, if you can't make a point without exaggerating mine, don't use my language in quotations, thank you. I said nothing about an "incredible" upside. I said "greater" upside; greater simply means "more".

Second, the point was posed in a rhetorical manner. That is, if you *assume* there's a guy who is less familiar with the system but with more long term upside who can't presently perform as well as the guy who knows the system inside and out, do you play the guy who performs best right now or the guy who would play better in the long run?

Linehan is going to have a lot of influence on Saban's decision as to who should start and given his desire to get Frerotte in here, I'm not certain that the determination of what constitutes "best QB" is going to be determined in a manner that would be in the long term interests of the franchise.

As a matter of fact, I'll be surprised if Feeley does get the starting job. I may well be paranoid, but I fear a Wanny/Fiedler setup with Linehan.

[Edited for clarification]

I used the word incredible because the word upside has been used so much by tons of people. I quoted your post, but I was directing my post at any and everyone who has said AJ has this upside that just shines and shows how great of a QB he is going to be. I haven't seen it. I feel like everyone's desire to see Fiedler gone made them delusional about AJ Feeley. Feeley is doing the same things that failed Fiedler. But, really, Feeley has made even more boneheaded mistakes with the ball. Fiedler's INTs alot of the time were because of a weaker arm. Feeley's INTs (lots returned for TDs) were because of plain dumb decisions. I don't care what anyone says, Feeley has been in this league long enough to not make those bad decisions. Did anyone notice how lucky Feeley way too? He had just as many potential INTs dropped as he had picked. SO his 17 INTs don't tell the whole story. He seriously lucked out on some of his dumb decisions.
All things being equal, I just don't see an upside to Feeley that would constitute putting Feeley in over Frerotte just for the sake of doing it. It makes no sense to sacrifice possible wins just to get a younger QB, who is no more talented, playing time.

 

[nyjunc]

Does it matter? Both are medicore, at best, QBs. I could buy alot of the optimism on thos board if you had a solid QB but I don't see it. IF one of them surprises and plays well then I think you can be possibly a playoff contender but I don't see ti.

 

[dlockz]

well not to compare Feeley with a future hall of famer but Steve Young looked far from a stud with the god awful bucs. Its amazing what happens when a QB has a good team around him. I personally think that AJ with more protection can be a much better qb. Dan Marino might have struggled with the way the offensive line played last year. Not too may pro bowls have qb's from teams with 4 wins. If Frerotte is our best option then go with him but if he is then AJ is then AJ will definately be a bust.