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In Need Of A Secondary!

Is Yeremiah Bell going to be the same player he was before that achilles tear??????? Travis Daniels is a joke on one side and Will Allen is mediocre at best. Maybe the safety from UM Phillips at 32! The Db:err: position needs to be adressed!

Thoughts
 
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You lost all credibility with me when you said Will Allen is mediocre at best.

Why did you titled this thread "In Need Of Some Corners!" when all you did was talk about the safeties, sans Will Allen?
 
ya i think will allen is WAY WAY underrated. he is a good CB. i also agree that the title should have been titled Defensive backs not CB's too. yo talk more about Safeties than CB.
 
Is Yeremiah Bell going to be the same player he was before that achilles tear??????? Travis Daniels is a joke on one side and Will Allen is mediocre at best. Maybe the safety from UM Phillips at 32! The Db:err: position needs to be adressed!

Thoughts

While I agree that we need to re-enforce the Cb position, I have to disagree we should address it through this years draft. Maybe with the later rounds, but I hope we don;t address the CB position with our first day picks.

I don;t understand why we did not pull the trigger on DeAngelo Hall, but that's for a different thread.

I would have like to solidify our CB position through FA and veternaship this year.
 
i think we will draft a corner at some point int he draft but i dont see us doing anything like trading up to get anyone in specific. And it is ALL ABOUT THE PRESSURE OF THE FRONT 7 the giants proved that in all their playoff games last season if they can get the QB running for his life and uncomfortable then "mediocre corners" as you put it can do the job heck with enough pressure 4 guys from this forum can do the job.
 
you dont need great corners in this league if you rush the passer great, so chris long with jason taylor means no time to throw, you only need average NFL corners, the giants are a great example of that
 
I think Will Allen is a good #2 CB. He is awsome against the run but has HANDS OF STONE!

I think well draft a CB in the 3rd. Lehan should do good as our #3. Daniels is a good #4CB right now but we really have no true #1CB and i'm with you 100% we need to bring in Kenny Phillips with that #32 or the S from Norte Dame Zbikowski. 6 feet 215 ran a 4.5 i believe. He should be around in the 3rd/4th.
 
Guys don't be crying in your beer when Randy Moss is on Sports Center Again, when we play the Patriots!
 
Oh i will be crying in my beer...TEARS OF JOY cause Mr Moss will be on top plays and JACKED UP when Jason Allen hits him into next week :hi5:

I do see your point man we do need some more talent but this is a deep year for the secondary in general we will find someone that i have no doubt.
 
Turning the Miami Dolphins into contenders will be a 2-3 year process. This team needs ALOT of upgrades at ALOT of positions. Getting the best players available is the way to go.
 
You lost all credibility with me when you said Will Allen is mediocre at best.

Why did you titled this thread "In Need Of Some Corners!" when all you did was talk about the safeties, sans Will Allen?


What would you call Will Allen then?? He may be our best corner, but that doesn't mean much. We need secondary help big time. We also need..QB, WR, DL, LB...
 
What would you call Will Allen then?? He may be our best corner, but that doesn't mean much. We need secondary help big time. We also need..QB, WR, DL, LB...

I call Will Allen a very good corner who is under appreciated by many fans.

SI's Dr Z (right or wrong) had Will Allen as one of his All-Pro CBs http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2008/writers/dr_z/01/09/all.pros/3.html
They have already called the psycho ward and reserved a place for me because Will Allen of the Dolphins is my other All-Pro corner. When I went to bed with Newman and Cromartie as my pair, I didn't feel good about it, in fact I felt miserable, kind of like Benedict Arnold did after he had let the side down. At 4 a.m. I was sitting at the kitchen table, giving the charts one last look. Sometimes I start phoning people, even at that hour, to crystallize my thinking, but I didn't want to hear a single other opinion about Allen because I knew it would be, "Waddya nuts?"

I had him as the best player on the field when the Giants beat Miami in drizzly London. In fact, it was the best game I'd seen for any cornerback this season. I had another good one for him in the downpour at Pittsburgh. I had a couple more good ones and one bummer -- against the Jets the second time, when they dragged him across the field and completed a long one on him. He graded out higher than anyone except Newman.

He was still a guy no one ever had picked for anything and, since he'll be 30 next season, probably never will. But dammit, he had been terrific on my modest little chart; did I have the courage of my own convictions or was I going to live and die the copout, the wimp, that all my high school teachers predicted I'd become? "No!" I hollered, jumping to my feet and waking , with a start, Little Jake, the tabby, who was sleeping on the table. "I will do what is right!" Thus, Will Allen is my All-Pro corner, and if you want my game-by-game charts, I will supply them, along with sobriety test results.
Even Football Outsiders, who I don't always agree with, thought it was a pretty good choice. http://www.footballoutsiders.com/2008/01/21/extra-points/6046/
Based on our charting stats (generally complete through Week 15), Allen is a pretty good choice. In the data collected so far, Allen has a 60 percent Success Rate (12th among the top 75 cornerbacks) and allows 5.6 yards per pass (10th). He comes out dramatically better than the other Dolphins corners. Matt Lehan has a 53 percent Success Rate and 7.1 yards per pass, which is actually pretty reasonable, but Travis Daniels allowed 11.9 yards per pass, while Andre Goodman had a dismal 37 percent Success Rate.
IMO, Will being out best corner means a lot because it mean we only have to find one corner to play opposite of him to have more than a serviceable secondary.

Just for some good reading from Football Outsiders.
Charting Defensive Backs 2007
http://www.footballoutsiders.com/2007/12/21/ramblings/stat-analysis/5920/
Each of the following tables is based on a minimum of 35 charted passes, and I’m only listing defensive backs. These numbers may be a little different from what ran earlier today in the comments about New Orleans, since those were only through Week 11. Success rate is defined here; yards per pass includes all passes where this defensive back is listed as the defender, not just completions. Remember, these are not adjusted for opponent or which defensive back had to cover the other team’s star receiver more often.
Best Success Rate
Charles Woodson, GB: 70%
Roderick Hood, ARI: 66%
Fakhir Brown, STL: 65%
Mike McKenzie, NO: 64%
Anthony Henry, DAL: 63%
Jabari Greer, BUF: 63%
Dunta Robinson, HOU: 63%
Richard Marshall, CAR: 63%
Champ Bailey, DEN: 63%
Will Allen, MIA: 62%
Asante Samuel, NE: 62%
Ty Law, KC: 60%
Terrence McGee, BUF: 60%
 
Will Allen is the man. If that guy could catch he would be considered a top 5 CB in the NFL IMO. Will played with all the heart and effort anyone could ask for and more on a 1-15 team. I love Will and I'll defend him to the end.
 
Will Allen doesn't get the credit he deserves. He may not make that many INT's but he is in the hip pocket of the WR 90% of the time or more. The rest of the secondary needs an upgrade but he is the lone bright spot.
 
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