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A number of people are worried about how Miami is going to approach the rebuilding of the offensive line. I get the impression that, hindsight being what it is, Hudson Houck quite clearly thinks two things;

1. That he has 1 iron certainty on his OL – Vernon Carey - but that in Rex Hadnot and LJ Shelton, he has two further players that he knows can start from week 1 alongside one another. I think in an ideal world, Cameron and Houck would rather Hadnot and Lonnie battle it out to play alongside Carey on the right side, with the loser, probably Hadnot, giving valuable back up at OC and RG.

2. That those comments by Nick Saban in his resignation press address about Anthony Alabi may be closer to the truth than we know. Whether or not he’s a star in the making is irrelevant and frankly we don't need a 'star' per se at LT. What we need is a guy who’s going to be able to lock down that spot, protect the QB on a consistent basis and clear lanes for Brown and Williams.

Why do I think this? Well in a very quiet FA market for tackles, Miami made no efforts to re-sign Damion McIntosh who, whilst getting overpaid in Kansas City, could certainly do a job on the left side and played under both Cameron and Houck in San Diego. They also made, despite rumours to the contrary, no effort to bring Luke Petigout in and the interest in Steinbach was as a LG and not a LT, unlike at least two teams who had Steinbach pegged for visits had he left Cleveland without a contract. And lest we forget that Wannstedt and Spielman tried to trade up for him to get him to play LT when he came out. Whilst we've shown interest in Levi Brown, it seems as though we're either pulling a very good smokescreen, or we'd rather draft a guy who we can develop further be it in technique or in the weight room – or someone that has the versatility to play inside or out, such as Aaron Sears, who we've a strong interest in.

If that's the case and Alabi really is ready to go – and we've now heard it from multiple places - I think that our draft plan with regards the offensive line will follow a similar strategy to the one that Mike McCarthy, Joe Philbin and James Campen took in Green Bay a year ago. Campen had worked with an OL in 2005 that saw Mike Wahle and Marco Rivera depart and watched as 2nd to last pick overall, G William Whitticker came in and start at for 14 games and saw Scott Wells step in at OC for an oft injured Mike Flanagan. Then in 2006, the Pack took Daryn Colledge in R2, Jason Spitz in 3 and Tony Moll in 5. Colledge, who I was an unabashed fan of, was a LT at Boise State, a tough, aggressive athletic player, and subsequently started 15 of 16 games at LG next to Chad Clifton and made All Rookie. Spitz, a hard working, versatile center from Louisville came in, switched to RG and started 13 games and Moll, a raw tackle from Nevada with good feet and athleticism started 5 games for Mark Tauscher at RT and 4 more inside at both G spots.

Why do I bring up Green Bay? Well in part because of the fact that they brought in three rookies and not only got 37 starts out of them but also got solid, non-rookie like play, protecting a QB whose mobility has lessened. But also because Packers GM Ted Thompson and Miami GM Randy Mueller are friends. Thompson replaced Mueller in Seattle as Vice-President of Football Operations and their friendship goes back many years. You can bet that in Indianapolis, if not before, Mueller and indeed Ron Labadie would have discussed with Thompson how they hit on all three and the work that Philbin and Campen did with those guys.

But also because during his time in San Diego as offensive co-ordinator, Cam Cameron oversaw LaDanian Tomlinson run for 1683 yards, in 2002, 1645 in 2003, 1335 in 2004, 1462 in 2005 and 1815 last year, making a total of 7940 yards in that short period. And he did it without future Hall of Famers up front. He did it with players like Jason Ball, now out of football, UDFA Cory Lekkerkerkker, 7th rounder Shane Olivea, 6th rounder Jeremey Clary, 5th rounder Wesley Britt, 3rd rounder Leander Jordan, UDFA Kris Dielman, 6th rounder Wes Sims, 7th rounder Scott Mruczkowski, Nick Hardwick, a rather obscure 3rd rounder, whose selection drew derision from some quarters , 7th rounder Jimmy Martin, Kelvin Garmon, an undrafted free agent, Courtney Van Buren, a 3rd rounder from tiny Arkansas Pine-Bluff and 6th rounder Matt Anderle. Of course, Tomlinson is a special, special player and he needs little introduction to run to daylight, but that DL doesn't block itself. Houck and Cameron transformed one of the worst OL's in the league into one of the best. With 5 new starters on the line in 2005, San Diego ranked 10th on total offense and 6th in rushing and has averaged less than 25 sacks since 2002. They are consistently solid in all departments.

And they did this in the main with late round picks. With undrafted free agents, by taking chances on guys they were passionate about, who they felt could do a job within a system.

Let's look specifically at the picks during the Houck tenure on the OL. There were 6 in total, 4 tackles, a center and a guard. Tonio Fonoti was the first in R2 in 2002. He perfectly fits that Houck mould with his size and undoubted athleticism. But as a 2nd round pick, he has less of the mark of HH, simply because he wasn't one of those late round gems that he fell for. Such as Matt Anderle, who went in the 6th round that year out of Minnesota. He was an archetypal Houck project; 6'6 and 327 pounds, athletic, versatile and raw, being a former DT. The following year they took Van Buren, again an athletic talent at 6'5 and 350lbs and another converted defensive lineman. Then in 2004, Hardwick was drafted out of Purdue – a former DT – in round 3, followed by two more Houck types in 7, Olivea and Miami T Carlos Joseph. Olivea, at 6'3 and 312 with great feet and Joseph, 6'6 and 342 had the explosion that Houck likes.

So whilst I expect us to look at the bigger name guards in rounds 2 and 3 – the aforementioned Sears, Andy Alleman - a guy we've had plenty of contact with both in Indianapolis and at the Zips pro day - Samson Satele, Justin Blalock, Josh Beekman, etc. - I also think that names such as the very strong and hugely athletic Dane Uperesa (6'5, 331) of Hawaii who we interviewed in Indianapolis, Cameron Stephenson of Rutgers, (6'5, 307, a former DL), TCU's Herbert Taylor, who doesn't have the size, but possesses the raw athleticism), Gabe Hall (6'4, 303 and hugely athletic) of Texas Tech, Brandon Frye of Virginia Tech, (6'5, 303 and a former defensive end), Chris Denman of Fresno State, (6'6, 305, converted end), Drew Mormino, a center from Central Michigan, Kurt Quarterman of Louisville, (6'5, 348), Jake Kuresa, (6'4, 335, converted DT), of BYU, Derrick Markray of Bowling Green, (6'5, 354) and John Simonitis of Pitt, (6'5, 315 and a former DT), will be the sorts of players that we’ll have an interest in, in rounds 4-7 and beyond.

Looking back at our utter inactivity during FA with regards the OL, I can only think that Houck and Cameron feel totally comfortable with the youth policy on the roster – lest we not forget Joe Toledo and especially the well thought of Notre Dame 6th rounder Dan Stevenson, who was on the Pats PS last year and who Dante Scarnaccia was disappointed to lose – and their targets in the draft who I’m sure they are looking at with a view to making a very early impact, just as they've done before in San Diego and just as Mueller’s friend Ted Thompson did a year ago in Green Bay.

In an over inflated market at the top end and a very mediocre one elsewhere, it's a plan that could blow up in their faces, but which follows perfectly the style with which the first few months of the Cameron/Mueller regime have shown.

So fear not. I think we’ll be just fine.
 
Good write up Boomer, I've looked at what we have now..actually if you put it into perspective, we have 4/5 of our OL from last year, if you include Jacux, a 10 year vet. at LG with hadnot, shelton, and carey manning the right side. If Alabi is ready, then we have a starting point for our OL right now on the roster with Tolado and stevens as backup's. Like you, I think we looking to get stronger at the center and guard position, and find a brusier to battle Alabi at LT for that position. If we get 3 good OL out of the draft..find some gems in the Undrafted leftovers, and hit by TC on other FA's, we may find that our OL will be better than people think...either way, with what we have on the roster right now, we could feild a decent OL, not great or very good, but decent, that can get better as the year goes by. At least we know the right side of the center will be good to above good with Shelton and Carey manning that side. it's the left side that's in question with the journey man Jacuax being questionable, and ofcourse, not much experience Alabi. We now have a power Full back and if Kelly Campbell's legs will allow him to play, we have a slot and pr man. If we can get another WR, QB, CB, and and LB out of the draft to go alone with our 3 OL picks, maybe 4, then I think we've solved a lot of ills out of year 1 of Cam's reign.
 
Great post Boomer, thanks for the read. I think Hudson Houck will benefit the most from the departure of Saban. He probably
will have a few more picks for O-liners the next two years. However, I wonder why a guy like Alabi didn't have an immediate impact like the guys form Green Bay you mentioned. I guess the two main reasons are that:

Alabi was much more of a project than the other guys.
Saban was not willing to play young guys anyway, let alone on one of the most important positions.

The reason why I think that the O-line could be much improved is the new system. Houcks O-line was very successful in Camerons system. I still would call our O-line over the last two years overachieving, but they were not as successful as his O-lines in San Diego were.

I really hope that the combination Cameron/Houck/young O-liners (and a coach who trusts them) will boost our offense. Your post makes me more optimistic, but I still wanna see it...
 
Great post Boomer, thanks for the read. I think Hudson Houck will benefit the most from the departure of Saban. He probably
will have a few more picks for O-liners the next two years. However, I wonder why a guy like Alabi didn't have an immediate impact like the guys form Green Bay you mentioned. I guess the two main reasons are that:

Alabi was much more of a project than the other guys.
Saban was not willing to play young guys anyway, let alone on one of the most important positions.

The reason why I think that the O-line could be much improved is the new system. Houcks O-line was very successful in Camerons system. I still would call our O-line over the last two years overachieving, but they were not as successful as his O-lines in San Diego were.

I really hope that the combination Cameron/Houck/young O-liners (and a coach who trusts them) will boost our offense. Your post makes me more optimistic, but I still wanna see it...

Don't forget about Joe Toledo. He was ready to play the last 6 games last season and could have been activated. However, Mr indecision (Saban) didn't know what to do about DC and he kept him on the active roster too long.
Toledo and Alabi are good players. Alabi has good size and good feet. His problem as a rookie coming out of a small college was his strength. I believe that has been developed and he's ready to go.
 
Ronnie is not Tomlinson so dont think plugging any lineman will work.

So what's your excuse for Michael Turner averaging 5.2, 5.9 and 6.2 yards a carry in three years of Cameron's offenses in San Diego?

Unless you think he's better than Brown?
 
Ronnie is not Tomlinson so dont think plugging any lineman will work.

Don't be so pessimistic. While I agree that at this point there is no comparison; we really don't know how good Brown can be. Not really. The entire time he's been here our O-line has been mediocre at best. One can argue that LT makes his line, or that his line makes LT. ??????? It's probably a lot of both.
With that said, you're absolutely right that "plugging in any lineman" won't work. All we have to do is look back to last year to know that. But Saban's "type" of lineman seemed to be huge guys that couldn't move very well. Hopefully, our new braintrust has a better idea. Time will tell.
 
So what's your excuse for Michael Turner averaging 5.2, 5.9 and 6.2 yards a carry in three years of Cameron's offenses in San Diego?

Unless you think he's better than Brown?
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Blocking has to have an impact there, but you have to admit that kid Turner is also a stud, and short enough to cause damage because he can get by a defender who can't square him up in time. You can only tackle him low, and he's so fast that it's like he's in front of you and then he disappears.
I would love to have a scatback here like that.
:evil:
 
At this point in the season, (6 months from kickoff) it's still too early to panic. Now when we get to April or May when its only 4 to 5 months before kickoff and it still makes no sense, then it's cliff jumping time. LOL!
 
thanks for the analysis boomer, great job on a well thought out post.

I wonder, houck always seems to get at least a late round OL pick to play with, but when looking back at CK's post of mueller draft picks, he doesn't seem to have a great record at the fifth round or later.

With some of the talent in the draft this year, do you think a second or third pick may be used for a lineman, or will houck be given a late round gem?
 
In the last couple days Saban was here, he said "Alabi is a rising star in this league". That seemed pretty nice.
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"if you include Jacux, a 10 year vet"
-- Jacox is a FA, I believe.
 
I wonder, houck always seems to get at least a late round OL pick to play with, but when looking back at CK's post of mueller draft picks, he doesn't seem to have a great record at the fifth round or later.

Let's be honest here: Who does? Pretty much all the picks that come after the fourth round are gambles in one way or the other. Sometimes you luck out with a hidden gem (which you usually didn't consider a gem in the first place because if you had, you'd have picked him earlier), most of the time, you get camp fodder. When it comes to drafting, it's the first three or four rounds that make or break you. It's nice to find a starter in the 6th. But it's absolutely essential to find starters in the first three.

With some of the talent in the draft this year, do you think a second or third pick may be used for a lineman, or will houck be given a late round gem?

I'm not Boomer, but I'll try to answer it anyway: Given Mueller's trackrecord and the fact that the Dolphins have so many needs to fill, I'd be surprised if he didn't go for BPA. Let's face it: We could use a good starter at virtually any position (apart from RB, but Brian Leonard would be an excellent FB and 3rd down back). Given that this draft is deeper at o-line than at a lot of other positions, I think that an early lineman is a very good possibility. I just don't think that they have an approach like "we need to get at least one lineman on the first day" or "no lineman until day two" - for the first time in decades, I really think we are drafting the best players we can get.
 
Let's be honest here: Who does? Pretty much all the picks that come after the fourth round are gambles in one way or the other. Sometimes you luck out with a hidden gem (which you usually didn't consider a gem in the first place because if you had, you'd have picked him earlier), most of the time, you get camp fodder. When it comes to drafting, it's the first three or four rounds that make or break you. It's nice to find a starter in the 6th. But it's absolutely essential to find starters in the first three.



I'm not Boomer, but I'll try to answer it anyway: Given Mueller's trackrecord and the fact that the Dolphins have so many needs to fill, I'd be surprised if he didn't go for BPA. Let's face it: We could use a good starter at virtually any position (apart from RB, but Brian Leonard would be an excellent FB and 3rd down back). Given that this draft is deeper at o-line than at a lot of other positions, I think that an early lineman is a very good possibility. I just don't think that they have an approach like "we need to get at least one lineman on the first day" or "no lineman until day two" - for the first time in decades, I really think we are drafting the best players we can get.

Leonard isn't a Miami FB. He simply doesn't fit the scheme. Schledge is the archetypal Cameron FB.
 
Leonard isn't a Miami FB. He simply doesn't fit the scheme. Schledge is the archetypal Cameron FB.

I heartily agree. Nevertheless you should consider tweaking your system if you can land a potentially elite player at a given position. And I suspect that Leonard could be one of them. I'm not saying we will or absolutely have to draft him, but I consider him a possibility. Stallworth isn't exactly a Cameron style WR either and the Dolphins tried hard to sign him.
 
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