Inside the numbers - Ryan Tannehill's last 15 starts

[AZStryker]

You take Wallace off this offense and every half looks like the first half yesterday. His 930 yards and 5 TDs should have been 1300+ and 9+ if his qb could throw a deep ball. His first TD this year was every bit as sick as his second in traffic ball thrown high, hard and once again behind him! Wallace was between 3 defenders and came down with it. At this point he is easily our most improved player on offense. If you really don't see the attention Wallace gets from the defense I can't help you, it most certainly isn't his fault he knocks the top off the defense and never gets a good ball.

I agree that his 2013 stats could be better and it's mostly Tannehill's fault. I'm not arguing that. This year he has made one really nice play but not much else. He is not taking attention off the other receivers or they'd be wide open. They are not. Again I am not arguing for Tannehill. Just proving to others that WV is wrong....again. Matt Moore is not a better option. He is more of the same if not a little worse. We don't have Marshall and Bush to help out. He will not lead us to the playoffs. Ride with Tannehill and it will be clear what we need to do at the end of the year one way or another.

 

[mega-fin-love]

I would give Tannehill a few more games and if he doesn't improve I would put Moore in. It is a new system and there is a small chance Tanne just needs a little more time with the new system. I doubt it but pulling him right before he catches fire would be a typical Dolphin move. Like I said, I doubt he will improve that much and I would have no problem putting Moore in....just not yet

 

[DolfanISS]

Yes against the Chargers, Giants, Broncos, Eagles and the Jets (twice) he absolutely was awful. His before half fumble also lost us the Dallas game.

OK but don't ever blame the o-line for Tannehills woes because for that Eagles game we had Nate Garner at LT and the wide nines the eagles ran was eating him up. That was as bad on offensive line performance I've seen, stopped watching the game which I rarely do. Chargers he was called upon in relief, wasn't that bad vs the Giants (it was at least a Tannehill performance), Broncos and first Jets game were bad (you're right). Not much worse than we're watching now though.

 

[Ilovemyfins4eva]

OK but don't ever blame the o-line for Tannehills woes because for that Eagles game we had Nate Garner at LT and the wide nines the eagles ran was eating him up. That was as bad on offensive line performance I've seen, stopped watching the game which I rarely do. Chargers he was called upon in relief, wasn't that bad vs the Giants (it was at least a Tannehill performance), Broncos and first Jets game were bad (you're right). Not much worse than we're watching now though.

eagle game he got knocked out early if i remember correctly

 

[AZStryker]

No you're making that argument. But notice the pieces performed BETTER with Moore instead of Henne. That's because the QB's play permeates through the rest of the offense. That was the most balanced I had seen it in a long time between run and pass.

Your kindergarten antics invoking childish "hater" arguments blind you.

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See this is the kind of stupidity I can't stand.

Moore showed up late in training camp and wasn't allowed to practice with the 1's. It's not reasonable to expect him to need a few games to gain familiarity once Henne went down? On what planet is that reasonable? Just toss the guy into the fire with no prior experience in this system or with those starters and expect he set the world on fire. Makes sense.

Jesus man, you're talking out of your ass again. Those bad games were weeks 4, 6, 7, 8, 14, and 17. Hardly just his first few. Stop the hypocrisy and do a little research

 

[enigmatics]

OK but don't ever blame the o-line for Tannehills woes because for that Eagles game we had Nate Garner at LT and the wide nines the eagles ran was eating him up. That was as bad on offensive line performance I've seen, stopped watching the game which I rarely do. Chargers he was called upon in relief, wasn't that bad vs the Giants (it was at least a Tannehill performance), Broncos and first Jets game were bad (you're right). Not much worse than we're watching now though.

They don't want to talk about that though when it comes to that O-line. I mean the matador Colombo was starting at RT for cryin' out loud.

It took Moore a fews games and look at that, he found his stride. Go figure!

 

[AZStryker]

eagle game he got knocked out early if i remember correctly

Define early. He was 11 for 19 for 95 yards with a pick and a TD and was getting beat up for indecisiveness.

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OK but don't ever blame the o-line for Tannehills woes because for that Eagles game we had Nate Garner at LT and the wide nines the eagles ran was eating him up. That was as bad on offensive line performance I've seen, stopped watching the game which I rarely do. Chargers he was called upon in relief, wasn't that bad vs the Giants (it was at least a Tannehill performance), Broncos and first Jets game were bad (you're right). Not much worse than we're watching now though.

exactly! Glad you finally agree that is was and would not be any better.

 

[enigmatics]

Jesus man, you're talking out of your ass again. Those bad games were weeks 4, 6, 7, 8, 14, and 17. Hardly just his first few. Stop the hypocrisy and do a little research

I have done my research. Week 7 he had 3 TD's, 70% completion percentage and a 133 rating. Week 8 he had 59.85% completion, 1 TD, 99 rating. Week 14 he had 50% completion, 2 TD's, and a 122 rating. So you're math is a bit fuzzy bub.

 

[flynryan15]

I agree that his 2013 stats could be better and it's mostly Tannehill's fault. I'm not arguing that. This year he has made one really nice play but not much else. He is not taking attention off the other receivers or they'd be wide open. They are not. Again I am not arguing for Tannehill. Just proving to others that WV is wrong....again. Matt Moore is not a better option. He is more of the same if not a little worse. We don't have Marshall and Bush to help out. He will not lead us to the playoffs. Ride with Tannehill and it will be clear what we need to do at the end of the year one way or another.

I have not said one pro Matt Moore word because I don't like him. That is as simple as I can put it! However if you can't see the attention Wallace draws I don't know what to say. So now it is Wallace fault the other WR can't get open when he gets them single looks and mismatches? It is more of a function the the wr core isn't as good as people thought. I'm telling you no Wallace and this offense goes back to the Pre-Marshall era stacked box. Defense pins their ears back and brings the house. Beyond that receivers are getting open though Matthews was open on the goal line ball was thrown where db could get a hand on it. Gibson was open next play pass was terrible. Hartline was open on a deep in route, and well Hartline clipped his heal and toe causing a awkward off balance attempt to catch. Hartline was open deep and once again trips over his feet misses pass. Clay was open and a drop. Majority of the plays Wallace is taking 2 or 3 defenders out of the box.

 

[AZStryker]

They don't want to talk about that though when it comes to that O-line. I mean the matador Colombo was starting at RT for cryin' out loud.

It took Moore a fews games and look at that, he found his stride. Go figure!

What??? Because Clabo and Martin were impenetrable walls right??? Yes the oline was banged up for that game but it wasn't any worse than the 2013 line. Again apples to apples.

 

[ohall]

Over Tannehill's last 15 starts the Miami Dolphins have a record of 6-9.

The Miami Dolphins have scored 30 points twice in the last 15 games. This ratio is actually higher than Tannehill's career clip. The Dolphins only eclipsed 30 points once in the 2013 season, in a 34-28 win @ Pittsburgh.

The Miami Dolphins lost ONE game last year when the team managed to score at least 22 points. This was a 26-23 loss to Baltimore in Miami. On every other occasion that the Dolphins managed to score at least 22 points, they were victorious in 2013.

Conversely, the Dolphins failed to win any games in which they did not score at least 22 points. However, the defense only yielded a 30 point game to one opponent in 2013, a 38-17 loss @ New Orleans, to an explosive Saints offense in their dome.

The Dolphins defense also held the opponent to 23 points or less in a whopping 13 of 16 games last season. They managed to win one game when actually yielding more than 23 points(@ Pittsburgh). The median PPG per team in the NFL last season was 24.1. The average would be somewhat higher thanks to Denver being a huge outlier.

All of this demonstrates how close a team is from 8 wins and 12 wins. Had the Dolphins been able to manage a few more points per game, they likely win several more games.

The Dolphins managed TWO separate 3 game win steaks last season in a season that saw only 8 wins. Conversely, the Phins suffered a 4 game losing streak.

Over the past 15 games, Ryan Tannehill's individual stats which lead the Phins to their 6-9 record over that span are as follows..................

562 attempts
333 completions
59.2% completion rate

3505 Yards
23 TDs
17 INTs

This comes to a QB rating over a 15 game span of 78.48 :baghead:

That is horrible play over a span of games that basically equals a full season. It is certainly not the caliber of play that will get things done. It is the kind of play that leads to 6 and 7 win seasons.

It is time to give Matt Moore the opportunity he deserves. If Moore can get this team scoring 24 points on a consistent basis, the Phins have the type of team that can win 10+ games.

He's played 2 games in this system. Anything beyond that IMO is just noise. Or irrational minutia to try and support someone's personal agenda.

If RT17 is not a franchise QB then Moore most certainly is not. Why would any rational person want to go there? Makes no sense to me.

 

[enigmatics]

What??? Because Clabo and Martin were impenetrable walls right??? Yes the oline was banged up for that game but it wasn't any worse than the 2013 line. Again apples to apples.

I never said a damn thing about Clabo and Martin. You ASSumed I thought they were world beaters.

I was pointing out that the O-line was highly questionable when Moore started just like it was for Tannehill. That is fact. But you'd never attest to it.

 

[AZStryker]

I have not said one pro Matt Moore word because I don't like him. That is as simple as I can put it! However if you can't see the attention Wallace draws I don't know what to say. So now it is Wallace fault the other WR can't get open when he gets them single looks and mismatches? It is more of a function the the wr core isn't as good as people thought. I'm telling you no Wallace and this offense goes back to the Pre-Marshall era stacked box. Defense pins their ears back and brings the house. Beyond that receivers are getting open though Matthews was open on the goal line ball was thrown where db could get a hand on it. Gibson was open next play pass was terrible. Hartline was open on a deep in route, and well Hartline clipped his heal and toe causing a awkward off balance attempt to catch. Hartline was open deep and once again trips over his feet misses pass. Clay was open and a drop. Majority of the plays Wallace is taking 2 or 3 defenders out of the box.

Yes but this is another hack thread to start Moore, not a Wallace is a stud thread. I agree that without Wallace we'd be in serious trouble. I just still see a lot of body catching from him and plays not being made. He's hardly a top tier WR.

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I never said a damn thing about Clabo and Martin. You ASSumed I thought they were world beaters.

I was pointing out that the O-line was highly questionable when Moore started just like it was for Tannehill. That is fact. But you'd never attest to it.

Go back and re-read.

 

[bird33]

he was the same exact guy in college, should have never in a million years been drafted 8th overall, but he was and now this offseason we need to find a qb. 3 years of an average, if even that, run of the mill bum. the patriot tv guys were laughing at miami after week 1 because they were saying miami will never compete for anything with rt at quarterback. its sickening to have to agree with them but drafting him in the 1st round and having to come to the realization that hes not the answer is pretty hard to take.

 

[SoCal Finatic]

Over Tannehill's last 15 starts the Miami Dolphins have a record of 6-9.



That is horrible play over a span of games that basically equals a full season. It is certainly not the caliber of play that will get things done. It is the kind of play that leads to 6 and 7 win seasons.

It is time to give Matt Moore the opportunity he deserves. If Moore can get this team scoring 24 points on a consistent basis, the Phins have the type of team that can win 10+ games.

Keep beating that drum, buddy!