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Instead of suck for Luck how about pullin for Polian.

Polian comes as a package deal with his son... and it's mostly his son cuz he's now coasting. That kind of toxic nepotism sound at all familiar? But rather than influence you, do a few google searches to see what the Colts fans thought of junior and how sorrowful they were to see him go. Now someone like Ryan Grigson, that's another story entirely!
 
Ruckus45 said:
Sad you only support your team when winning. I support them to win every week. Call me nuts, but that's what I do with things I support - hope for the best regardless of the bumps in the road
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We have been mediocre for over10 years. We are way past the bump in the road stage. This whole highway needs fixed.
 
j-off-her-doll said:
Have fun supporting a bunch of losers. This team plays with no effort. I was at the Bucs game, and the lack of effort was tangible.
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Ok, I will have fun supporting the same team I have since my birth in 1980. Who do you plan on supporting now? Chiefs, Broncos? If the Fins beat the Chargers are you back on board?

Sorry, I just find it silly for people to want their team to lose. It's such a self loathing behavior that I cannot understand. You play the game to win, not hope for a new gm, draft pick, or whatever.
 
It's not that I want us to lose. It's that I'm apathetic. They're still my team, but I'm not going to be surprised or upset when they suck.
 
mahmacoat said:
we have "draft gurus" here at FH, why would we need Polian:rolleyes2:
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I don't think you have a clue about Bill Polian...you just heard his name somewhere and think he would be a good GM.

Let's look at Bill Polian's drafts the last 3 years before being fired:

2009
1st rd Donald Brown - 27th overall pick, 15 starts in 4+ seasons, he's their version of Daniel Thomas
2nd rd Fili Moala - Moved to DE in the 3-4 under Pagano, has 3 career sacks in 4+ seasons
3rd Jerraud Powers - No longer on the team. Plays in Arizona. There's a reason they traded for Vontae Davis.
4th rd Austin Collie - Was only made relevant by Peyton Manning. History of concussions. Now playing in WR desperate New England
4th rd Terrance Taylor - Never even made the roster out of training camp...anywhere
6th rd Curtis Painter - We know this disaster since we saw it first hand in their suck for Luck campaign. Polian put his eggs in the "hope Manning never gets hurt" basket by never getting a better backup.
7th rd Pat McAfee - He's a punter
7th rd Jamie Thomas - Never made a roster. Not surprising from a 7th round pick though.

2010
1st Jerry Hughes - He's in Buffalo now. 8 starts between Indy and Buffalo in 3+ seasons.
2nd Pat Angerer - Having a good year. Had a great second year, lots of injuries last year.
3rd Kevin Thomas - No longer in the league.
4th Jacques McClendon - Backup Guard for Jacksonville now
5th Brody Eldridge - No longer in the league
7th Ricardo Matthews - Backup DT, 5 career starts, 1 career sack, 43 career tackles in 3+ seasons
7th Kavell Conner - Backup ILB
7th Ray Fisher - Never made a roster

2011
1st Anthony Castonzo - Starting OT who if you ask most Indy fans are very disappointed in. He's not as bad as Martin at OT but he's not that much better.
2nd Ben Ijalana - Playing with the Jets now as a backup OT
3rd Drake Nevis - Playing with the Cowboys now as a backup DT...it's his 3rd team in 2+ seasons.
4th Delone Carter - No longer in the league
6th Chris Rucker - No longer in the league

So let me sum this up...3 drafts, 21 players drafted, 2 starters in 3 drafts only one of which is any good in Angerer, 14 of 21 no longer on the team, 8 of 21 aren't even in the NFL. So tell me how is it you think Bill Polian would be a good GM?
 
Polian..... :bobdole:

The guy who decided he didnt want his team to go undefeated ON PURPOSE! The guy who completely demoralized his players by not letting them go out there and win games. Get real.
 
datruth55 said:
I don't think you have a clue about Bill Polian...you just heard his name somewhere and think he would be a good GM.

Let's look at Bill Polian's drafts the last 3 years before being fired:

2009
1st rd Donald Brown - 27th overall pick, 15 starts in 4+ seasons, he's their version of Daniel Thomas
2nd rd Fili Moala - Moved to DE in the 3-4 under Pagano, has 3 career sacks in 4+ seasons
3rd Jerraud Powers - No longer on the team. Plays in Arizona. There's a reason they traded for Vontae Davis.
4th rd Austin Collie - Was only made relevant by Peyton Manning. History of concussions. Now playing in WR desperate New England
4th rd Terrance Taylor - Never even made the roster out of training camp...anywhere
6th rd Curtis Painter - We know this disaster since we saw it first hand in their suck for Luck campaign. Polian put his eggs in the "hope Manning never gets hurt" basket by never getting a better backup.
7th rd Pat McAfee - He's a punter
7th rd Jamie Thomas - Never made a roster. Not surprising from a 7th round pick though.

2010
1st Jerry Hughes - He's in Buffalo now. 8 starts between Indy and Buffalo in 3+ seasons.
2nd Pat Angerer - Having a good year. Had a great second year, lots of injuries last year.
3rd Kevin Thomas - No longer in the league.
4th Jacques McClendon - Backup Guard for Jacksonville now
5th Brody Eldridge - No longer in the league
7th Ricardo Matthews - Backup DT, 5 career starts, 1 career sack, 43 career tackles in 3+ seasons
7th Kavell Conner - Backup ILB
7th Ray Fisher - Never made a roster

2011
1st Anthony Castonzo - Starting OT who if you ask most Indy fans are very disappointed in. He's not as bad as Martin at OT but he's not that much better.
2nd Ben Ijalana - Playing with the Jets now as a backup OT
3rd Drake Nevis - Playing with the Cowboys now as a backup DT...it's his 3rd team in 2+ seasons.
4th Delone Carter - No longer in the league
6th Chris Rucker - No longer in the league

So let me sum this up...3 drafts, 21 players drafted, 2 starters in 3 drafts only one of which is any good in Angerer, 14 of 21 no longer on the team, 8 of 21 aren't even in the NFL. So tell me how is it you think Bill Polian would be a good GM?
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you sum up his career on 3 drafts? I see your point, for whatever reason(his son?) he lost his magic touch. we will likely be getting someone who is relatively unknown with a track record at a winning "program", so I don't think Polian will be an issue
 
Notice how all the finheaven experts have no answer themselves.

True Finheavenness.
 
He's only 70 - he has another good 12 years in him. You never know, he might pick the next Peyton Manning.
 
finfan54 said:
Notice how all the finheaven experts have no answer themselves.

True Finheavenness.
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Dozen of posters have offered up various GM candidates they would prefer over Ireland...many of which have worked on teams that have built through the draft and have sustained long term success...
 
mahmacoat said:
you sum up his career on 3 drafts? I see your point, for whatever reason(his son?) he lost his magic touch. we will likely be getting someone who is relatively unknown with a track record at a winning "program", so I don't think Polian will be an issue
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His drafts from 2006-2011 if you need more proof...make it 6 years of bad drafts if you'd like:

Indianapolis Colts

2006 Draft
(30th overall) - RB Joseph Addai - no longer in the NFL
(62nd overall) - CB Tim Jennings - no longer with the team
(94th overall) - LB Freddie Keiaho - no longer in the NFL
(162nd overall) - OG Michael Toudouze - no longer in the NFL
(199th overall) - OT Charlie Johnson - no longer with the team
(207th overall) - SS Antoine Bethea - starter
(238th overall) - CB T.J. Rushing - no longer in the NFL

2007 Draft
(32nd overall) - WR Anthony Gonzalez - no longer in the NFL
(42nd overall) - OT Tony Ugoh - no longer in the NFL
(95th overall) - CB Dante Hughes - no longer in the NFL
(98th overall) - DT Quinn Pit**** - no longer in the NFL
(131st overall) - DB Brannon Condren - no longer in the NFL
(136th overall) - LB Clint Session - no longer with the team
(169th overall) - WR Roy Hall - no longer in the NFL
(173rd overall) - CB Michael Coe - no longer with the team
(242nd overall) - DT Keyunta Dawson - no longer with the team

2008 Draft
(59th overall) - OG Mike Pollak - no longer with the team
(93rd overall) - OLB Philip Wheeler - no longer with the team
(127th overall) - TE Jacob Tamme - no longer with the team
(161st overall) - DE Marcus Howard - no longer in the NFL
(196th overall) - TE Tom Santi - no longer in the NFL
(201st overall) - C Steve Justice - no longer in the NFL
(202nd overall) - RB Mike Hart - no longer in the NFL
(205th overall) - Pierre Garcon - no longer with the team
(236th overall) - C Jamey Richard - no longer with the team

2009 Draft
(27th overall) - RB Donald Brown - 27th overall pick, 15 starts in 4+ seasons, he's their version of Daniel Thomas
(56th overall) - DT Fili Moala - Moved to DE in the 3-4 under Pagano, has 3 career sacks in 4+ seasons
(92nd overall) - DB Jerraud Powers - No longer on the team. Plays in Arizona. There's a reason they traded for Vontae Davis.
(127th overall) - WR Austin Collie - Was only made relevant by Peyton Manning. History of concussions. Now playing in WR desperate New England
(136th overall) - DT Terrance Taylor - Never even made the roster out of training camp...anywhere
(201st overall) - QB Curtis Painter - We know this disaster since we saw it first hand in their suck for Luck campaign. Polian put his eggs in the "hope Manning never gets hurt" basket by never getting a better backup.
(222nd overall) - P Pat McAfee - He's a punter
(236th overall) - OG Jamie Thomas - Never made a roster. Not surprising from a 7th round pick though.

2010 Draft
(31st overall) - DE Jerry Hughes - He's in Buffalo now. 8 starts between Indy and Buffalo in 3+ seasons.
(63rd overall) - OLB Pat Angerer - Having a good year. Had a great second year, lots of injuries last year.
(94th overall) - DB Kevin Thomas - No longer in the league.
(129th overall) - OG Jacques McClendon - Backup Guard for Jacksonville now
(162nd overall) - TE Brody Eldridge - No longer in the league
(238th overall) - DE Ricardo Matthews - Backup DT, 5 career starts, 1 career sack, 43 career tackles in 3+ seasons
(240th overall) - OLB Kavell Conner - Backup ILB
(246th overall) - DB Ray Fisher - Never made a roster

2011
(22nd overall) - OT Anthony Castonzo - Starting OT who if you ask most Indy fans are very disappointed in. He's not as bad as Martin at OT but he's not that much better.
(49th overall) - OT Ben Ijalana - Playing with the Jets now as a backup OT
(87th overall) - DT Drake Nevis - Playing with the Cowboys now as a backup DT...it's his 3rd team in 2+ seasons.
(119th overall) - RB Delone Carter - No longer in the league
(188th overall) - DB Chris Rucker - No longer in the league

The Colts have had 46 picks over the six year period and 8 of them remain on the team...17.4%. Of the 46 only 2 of them are starters...4.3%. Of the starter not one of them are a significant player given them a hit rate of 0.0% on impact players. I will conclude that I don't want Bill Polian running the Dolphins.
 
ConvenientTruth said:
Dozen of posters have offered up various GM candidates they would prefer over Ireland...many of which have worked on teams that have built through the draft and have sustained long term success...
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such as?
 
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