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The Cold Hard Truth - Most Overrated Player in NFL History is…

Posted on January 24th, 2008 by Dr. Blades Boyd
…Brett Favre. Hands down, without question the most overrated player in NFL history. Now that I have your attention let me say it is truly an honor to be writing for such a prestigious and horrible website. But since cnnsi.com isn’t knocking at the door, Jeff Little’s offer was the next best thing. Ok, now back to Favre.

When it comes to Brett Favre there are few things in life I hate more. I’d much rather go back to 1942, grow my hair out, put on a yarmulke and try and give Hitler a kiss then have to sit through another season of watching Favre drop back, throw the ball into triple coverage and watch one his receivers make a ridiculous catch. This is what has made Favre the “legendary†quarterback he is; his receivers. How many times have we witnessed Favre run around in the backfield, then throw a pass that only the opposing team has a chance to catch???

Now I know that there are plenty of Packers fans out there and many of you would like to pull a “Jenna Jamison†on this bum but let me give you some stats. I’m going to compare them with the only guy out there who is close to Favre in terms of numbers, years played and records; Dan Marino. Both guys have been in the league for 17 seasons.

Marino vs. Favre

QB Dan Marino Brett Favre
Completions 4967 5377
Completion % 59.4 61.4
Passing Yards 61,361 61,655
Passing TDs 420 439
INTs 252 288
QB Rating 86.4 85.7

*All are career stats*​

Now, I know what your thinking. Why Doc, would you print stats that show Farve has Marino beat in every category except one? Well, to all my patients out there, I will tell you. There are two stats that are the most important if you ask anyone who has coached the game of football. Interceptions and Passer Rating. The reason is they prove consistency and error. The most harmful thing a quarterback can do for their team is turn the ball over and give the opposing team a short field and this is something Farve has mastered. Quarterback rating proves that you are simply more reliable then your opponent; plain and simple.​

This however, my loyal readers, is the most telling of all stats involving the two quarterbacks. Brett Farve throughout his 17 year career has been surrounded by seven Pro Bowl wide receivers and tight ends!!! Only four years did he not have a Pro Bowler playing receiver or tight end for him and in those four years he averaged three less wins a season, 550 less passing yards and eight less touchdowns. I would also like to name you these players, Jackie Harris, Sterling Sharpe, Robert Brooks, Mark Chumra, Desmond Howard, Antonio Freeman, Roell Preston and Donald Driver. All outstanding players and I’m sure each of you have heard at least five of those names before because they will most likely be Hall of Famers if they are not already.


Now, let’s check out how many Pro Bowl Wide Receivers and Tight Ends Dan Marino had playing for him in his 17 seasons. THREE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! And are you ready for these household names??? Mark Clayton (not the Mark Clayton who plays for Baltimore, sorry, but you Packers fans are so stupid you probably thought it was him even though this was nearly 20 years ago), Mark “the legend himself†Duper and OJ “stabber†McDuffie. As you can see, there is no comparison and can you just imagine had the “brilliant†Dolphins management brought in ONE decent receiver??? I mean Marino’s numbers would have been off the chart!!!​

Anyway, in closing and on a more serious note, I have little to no respect for any player who comes back to league for the sole purpose of breaking records. Favre had no business coming back this year and said he would only do so if the team improved. Before the season, they were picked to finish dead last and made no real significant improvements to their offense. As a result, Favre should have retired. But he knew had he played one more season that he would break five or six significant records and I truly believe he didn’t care if the team finished 2-14 or 14-2 because he just wanted his records. Now that he has, do I think he’ll come back??? Probably for one more year since the Pack did have a good season but I will not be the least surprised if he calls it a career and hands the reigns onto a quarterback I like very much, Aaron Rodgers. Barry Sanders said it best, †I have too much respect for this game and the people who have played before me to play football for records. If I played one more season, I would be the all time NFL rushing leader but my heart wasn’t in the game anymore and I just don’t think it would be right to see my name ahead of the best player in league history, Walter Payton.†Thanks Barry, you played on a team with no talent but at least you played for the right reasons.​
 
Sorry to say. I disagree with the majority of this article. There more valid points to turn to than the ones he brings up in this article. But still think Dan was a better QB with Favre in at a close second.
 
Ziggie97 said:
The Cold Hard Truth - Most Overrated Player in NFL History is…

Posted on January 24th, 2008 by Dr. Blades Boyd
…Brett Favre. Hands down, without question the most overrated player in NFL history. Now that I have your attention let me say it is truly an honor to be writing for such a prestigious and horrible website. But since cnnsi.com isn’t knocking at the door, Jeff Little’s offer was the next best thing. Ok, now back to Favre.

When it comes to Brett Favre there are few things in life I hate more. I’d much rather go back to 1942, grow my hair out, put on a yarmulke and try and give Hitler a kiss then have to sit through another season of watching Favre drop back, throw the ball into triple coverage and watch one his receivers make a ridiculous catch. This is what has made Favre the “legendary†quarterback he is; his receivers. How many times have we witnessed Favre run around in the backfield, then throw a pass that only the opposing team has a chance to catch???

Now I know that there are plenty of Packers fans out there and many of you would like to pull a “Jenna Jamison†on this bum but let me give you some stats. I’m going to compare them with the only guy out there who is close to Favre in terms of numbers, years played and records; Dan Marino. Both guys have been in the league for 17 seasons.

Marino vs. Favre

QB Dan Marino Brett Favre
Completions 4967 5377
Completion % 59.4 61.4
Passing Yards 61,361 61,655
Passing TDs 420 439
INTs 252 288
QB Rating 86.4 85.7

*All are career stats*​

Now, I know what your thinking. Why Doc, would you print stats that show Farve has Marino beat in every category except one? Well, to all my patients out there, I will tell you. There are two stats that are the most important if you ask anyone who has coached the game of football. Interceptions and Passer Rating. The reason is they prove consistency and error. The most harmful thing a quarterback can do for their team is turn the ball over and give the opposing team a short field and this is something Farve has mastered. Quarterback rating proves that you are simply more reliable then your opponent; plain and simple.​

This however, my loyal readers, is the most telling of all stats involving the two quarterbacks. Brett Farve throughout his 17 year career has been surrounded by seven Pro Bowl wide receivers and tight ends!!! Only four years did he not have a Pro Bowler playing receiver or tight end for him and in those four years he averaged three less wins a season, 550 less passing yards and eight less touchdowns. I would also like to name you these players, Jackie Harris, Sterling Sharpe, Robert Brooks, Mark Chumra, Desmond Howard, Antonio Freeman, Roell Preston and Donald Driver. All outstanding players and I’m sure each of you have heard at least five of those names before because they will most likely be Hall of Famers if they are not already.​


Now, let’s check out how many Pro Bowl Wide Receivers and Tight Ends Dan Marino had playing for him in his 17 seasons. THREE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! And are you ready for these household names??? Mark Clayton (not the Mark Clayton who plays for Baltimore, sorry, but you Packers fans are so stupid you probably thought it was him even though this was nearly 20 years ago), Mark “the legend himself†Duper and OJ “stabber†McDuffie. As you can see, there is no comparison and can you just imagine had the “brilliant†Dolphins management brought in ONE decent receiver??? I mean Marino’s numbers would have been off the chart!!!​


Anyway, in closing and on a more serious note, I have little to no respect for any player who comes back to league for the sole purpose of breaking records. Favre had no business coming back this year and said he would only do so if the team improved. Before the season, they were picked to finish dead last and made no real significant improvements to their offense. As a result, Favre should have retired. But he knew had he played one more season that he would break five or six significant records and I truly believe he didn’t care if the team finished 2-14 or 14-2 because he just wanted his records. Now that he has, do I think he’ll come back??? Probably for one more year since the Pack did have a good season but I will not be the least surprised if he calls it a career and hands the reigns onto a quarterback I like very much, Aaron Rodgers. Barry Sanders said it best, †I have too much respect for this game and the people who have played before me to play football for records. If I played one more season, I would be the all time NFL rushing leader but my heart wasn’t in the game anymore and I just don’t think it would be right to see my name ahead of the best player in league history, Walter Payton.†Thanks Barry, you played on a team with no talent but at least you played for the right reasons.​
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very nice find
 
great article but i wish he delved into the favre 1 marino 0 ring thing, because even though it is totaly bogus, pack fans will always use that. even though i think it has to go along with the caliber of teams, and calibers of teams played against.
 
i got da juice said:
great article but i wish he delved into the favre 1 marino 0 ring thing, because even though it is totaly bogus, pack fans will always use that. even though i think it has to go along with the caliber of teams, and calibers of teams played against.
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cant put too much stock into that.Super bowl wins determine how good a TEAM is, not a qb.
 
I always felt Marino was the better quarterback and not just because I love the guy.I am taking nothing from Brett Favre,but he threw way too many interceptions for my taste and I always felt Dan had a better arm.
 
There is no reason to bash Favre or the Packers fans. While Brett Favre might not be the best QB that ever played the game and maybe Marino was the more efficient football player but Favre was the most exciting player to watch.

If Favre really were a crappy player, he wouldn't have been even close to all these records. His interception record is a valid point but it just shows his pure desire to win.

As for the number of pro bowl receivers Favre had, you can also make a point for him by saying that. After all, Favre was the QB that threw the ball to them - no matter how or where, only thing that counts is that the catch was made. If it was pure luck or just his receivers, Favre wouldn't have lasted very long in that league - and he wouldn't have started just about every game in his career.

I do not want to be misunderstood, my heart is with the Dolphins. And it was a pleasure to watch Dan Marino play - even though I only saw him in his later years. But just as much did I grow into football with Brett Favre who happens to be THE prototype of a football player and competitor and human being.

So, please do not bash one of the all-time greats for no good reason. Thank you.
 
Spiff said:
There is no reason to bash Favre or the Packers fans. While Brett Favre might not be the best QB that ever played the game and maybe Marino was the more efficient football player but Favre was the most exciting player to watch.

If Favre really were a crappy player, he wouldn't have been even close to all these records. His interception record is a valid point but it just shows his pure desire to win.

As for the number of pro bowl receivers Favre had, you can also make a point for him by saying that. After all, Favre was the QB that threw the ball to them - no matter how or where, only thing that counts is that the catch was made. If it was pure luck or just his receivers, Favre wouldn't have lasted very long in that league - and he wouldn't have started just about every game in his career.

I do not want to be misunderstood, my heart is with the Dolphins. And it was a pleasure to watch Dan Marino play - even though I only saw him in his later years. But just as much did I grow into football with Brett Favre who happens to be THE prototype of a football player and competitor and human being.

So, please do not bash one of the all-time greats for no good reason. Thank you.
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I am not bashing favre, I am showing a link to an article (which I didn't write) comparing marino and favre. I think Marino was the better of the two, but I still think favre was a great QB.
 
Ziggie97 said:
I am not bashing favre, I am showing a link to an article (which I didn't write) comparing marino and favre. I think Marino was the better of the two, but I still think favre was a great QB.
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I apologize but I still think you should have made it clear that your opinion is different from the article's message. I cannot read this anywhere in your initial post.
 
Spiff said:
There is no reason to bash Favre or the Packers fans. While Brett Favre might not be the best QB that ever played the game and maybe Marino was the more efficient football player but Favre was the most exciting player to watch.

If Favre really were a crappy player, he wouldn't have been even close to all these records.
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The hard truth is, If Favre was drafted by Miami and had his full career in Miami, the same dolphin fans here saying Marino was better would be saying Favre was better..

Let's face it, this site is much more of a pom-pom waving cheerleader gathering than it is an objective, constructive place to discuss football.. God forbid you say anything remotely negative regarding a dolphin player, or else you'll be called silly childish things like a traitor-- or something much worse by the aqua and orange glass wearing, pom pom waving crowd who don't have a single ounce of objectivity.
 
Let's not forget when comparing stats that Favre was lucky enough to avoid any serious injury while Marino's body gave out on him a lot faster, even losing nearly an entire season to an achilles injury.

I mean breaking the streak of games played is a fine acheivment, but a large part of that is good genes and pure luck that any of hundreds of tackles didn't come in at the wrong angle. It's not like Marino missed games because he was tired.
 
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