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Interesting article on Stephen Ross and Jon Gruden. (Sept 26)

jim1 said:
I heard this from a knowledgeable, reliable source- Stephen Ross feels that he overpayed for a lousy team. He's doing everything that he can to recoup money (fractional ownership sales to celebrities, NFL Fan Vision-which apparently sucks, all the glitzy showbiz/entertainment stuff, the Gators debacle, catering to/begging the fan base). So despite the marketing/hype, including the questionable Gators thank you debacle the day of the Broncos game, things are not going well. I don't blame the guy for going after Harbaugh, but Ross seems more awkward and ill suited for football than Huizenga was.

I'm not a big fan of Sparano or Ireland, but 0-4 spells doom for most any coach. Sparano seems better suited as a positional coach, and every time I see him I think of Andy Kaufman's alter ego Tony Clifton.

I've heard this theory, and I think that it's plausible- Jimmy Johnson screwed over the Dolphins by convincing Huizenga to bring in Dave Wannesdedt, and Parcells did the same with Ross and Sparano. The common thread- both uber competetive guys ( Johnson and Parcells) wanted a very average to poor coach to follow them, so in hindsite they look better. Nefarious, but I think possible. Again, I don't HATE Sparano as I did Wannestedt- but I'm definitely not a fan, from the 24-7 sunglasses to how he speaks/carries himself, to his most likely best suited to being a positional coach (he might have screwed the pooch as per being an OL coach though) on the NFL level. And Ireland- he's ok but I just don't like him.

Ross may be more ill suited to NFL ownership than even Huizenga. He bought into this team for what, a billion dollars? and then saw the economy tank, if I have the time line right. He'll wait until the year is over, dump Sparano and then (my best guess) pick up Cowher or Gruden. And I'll be fine with that- not so sure about Carl Peterson.
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The Tony Clifton comparison is priceless!!

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This concept was brought up a lot during the whole fiasco, but how can we feel bad about "Tony being betrayed" when teams do this to players all the time? Hell, we even did this to Ted Ginn two years ago and Crowder this year. If we do it to a player, it's an "upgrade". If you do it to a coach, it's "betrayal". I personally call bull **** on this notion.
 
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Harbough is a coach with a lot of potential who has made a good start.

However Harbough + Ireland (which would have been the front office combo) would ultimately be just more 7-9 mediocrity
 
This whole season has taken on the feel of the last 3 games of last season, when everything seemed doomed!!! I have lost complete HOPE and FAITH, that this team is headed in the right direction ... Sometimes I feel that I am being too much of a HOMER and don't see that the players may not be as good as I had hoped, after being drafted ... Sometimes People like Parcells are too stubborn to change and that Stubbornness caused some bad decisions ... Sparano Had to go after last season, Everyone knew it, but with the lockout looming and so much uncertainty staring Ross in the face, he had no other choice after Harbaugh stayed home and Gruden and Cowher turned him down; but, to keep Sparano ... In theory the article is correct in that Ross PERHAPS needed another year to figure out what would and who would be the best fit for the team ... If all this is correct and Grudens comments during the Patriot's Monday night loss are any indication of what might be coming .. SO BE IT!!! I'm sick to my stomach watching these players play with no intensity, fire or passion ... the defense makes WAY TOO MANY MENTAL ERRORS and the right side of the O-LINE plays like they have 1 LEG!!! bad player decisions and the inability to prepare his team and motivate them is all on this *** Sparano ... All I want for Christmas is a Rough and Tough SOB Football Coach? that knows how to lead today's NFL players!!! Ross better wisen up he has 12 weeks to FINALLY FIGURE out what coaches can be had!!!
 
all in all, sparano should have been fired.

the coach is responsable for getting the right players on the field. having the team prepared and competative.

fixng issues. replacing faultering players. identifying team problems and fixing them.

sparano has FAILED epicly at all the above. that fluke 11-5 "playoff" inaugural season hurt this team worse than any move the brass made as it gave ross and others a false look. if david lee doesnt whip out the WILDCAT, we would have been a 1 win or 0 win team that year to.

ireland is a snake in the grass. he needs to go too. ross needs to clean this up by admitting his freshamn blunderings and then hire a new staff and tell them ANDREW LUCK is your number one priority. start clean with a new staff and franchise qb.
 
I see nothing but speculation about Gruden in the article. I hope the guy is having too much fun on TV to jump in to this fray. He leaves big messes after he spin's his magic.
 
Etuoo33 said:
I see nothing but speculation about Gruden in the article. I hope the guy is having too much fun on TV to jump in to this fray. He leaves big messes after he spin's his magic.
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I remember earlier, might have been the preseason, Gruden was on TV and sounded from my point of view like he was campaigning for the Dolphins HC job. I'd take him, especially over Sparano. For the most part I don't blame Ross for waiting, but the team seems dead, uninspired, like they don't want to play for Sparano. Just a guess.
 
I don't think Ross was the betrayer. I liked Ireland at first but now something makes me really dislike the man. All Ireland did was betray TS to save his own job. However this team has ran out of excuses.
 
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Sporano is not a good coach, that’s all there is to it. Cam Cameron would have turned this team around by now if he had been given the chance Tony has gotten. At least Cam is a good coach. Tony can’t even produce a decent offensive line investing top draft choices. Anybody notice Jake Longs progression this year? Even a great player needs a good coach or they don’t get better. The longer he stays the more players will be ruined and it’s a shame to do on a younger team.
 
I agree... anybody but who we have now, the boys will not play for this clown. Chucky would not be my first choice though, I like Cowher... Cowher could win with what we have now.
 
I’m not a Cowher believer. I hated his time with “Slash”, which was something he tried to force and just wasn’t happening. Seemed to stubborn to pull the trigger and make a change. Here’s part of an article I dug up on why Cowher shouldn’t be a Hall of Fame coach, interesting stats on this “great” one, I’m not buying Cowher.
“Cowher and the Steelers were fortunate to play in divisions that had teams in turmoil. Try these numbers on for size: During Cowher's tenure as head coach (1992-2006), the Browns were 70-122 and the Bengals were 89-145. He got to play them four times a year. For part of that time (1999-2006), he was in a division with an expansion team (Browns) and a team that was worse than an expansion team (Bengals). In 1995, he also had an expansion team (Jacksonville) in his division. He had two franchises in his division (Browns and Oilers) that went through the distractions and upheaval of moving to another city. The year he went to the Super Bowl for the first time, here's how the rest of the AFC Central Division looked. Bengals 7-9. Oilers 7-9. Browns 5-11. Jaguars 4-12. Cowher's team played eight games - half the schedule - against teams with a combined record of 23-41. From 1999, when the Browns returned as an expansion team, through his last season in 2006, Cowher's record against the Browns and the Bengals was 24-8. His record against the rest of the league was a not all that great, 54-41. His overall record during that time of 78-49 was helped by going 16-2 in 2004. Ben Roethlisberger, a quarterback who Cowher was forced to draft by his boss, played a major role in that 16-2.”
I would prefer someone young and fresh with his mind in the current NFL game and not someone who got burnt out and is coming back after broadcaster rehab.
 
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