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for those of you thinking Leinart is an automatic stud in the NFL.

In the last 20 years there have been 12 QBs to win the Heisman, one of those was Leinart last year, so we won't count him.

Of the remaining 11, 8 were absolute busts:

Jason White
Chris Weinke
Eric Crouch
Danny Wuerffel
Charlie Ward
Gino Toretta
Ty Detmer
Andre Ware

2 were solid, but unspectacular

Doug Flutie
Vinny Testaverde

That leaves ONE good QB to win the Heisman in the last 20 years:

Carson Palmer.

Those percentages are UGLY.

Sorry Kast, but the numbers don't lie. There is a 9% chance that Leinart will be a star in the NFL.
 
Great find. Really interesting to say the least. I never realised how many Heisman winners where busts.
 
Fish_Fan4Life said:
Great find. Really interesting to say the least. I never realised how many Heisman winners where busts.
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I didn't either, that's why I thought it was so interesting.
 
You cant call a guy that never wanted to play NFL football a bust! Charlie Ward went to play in the NBA so you really have to take him out too.
 
I'm not knocking your analysis because it is what it is. The Heisman is a trophy to award the best college football player, not an indicator of NFL success. I don't believe that there was a large contingent who believed that any of the QBs on your list with the exception of Vinnie and Palmer, were destined to be NFL QBs. Flutie, on the other hand, was a surprise to most of us.
 
finjim said:
for those of you thinking Leinart is an automatic stud in the NFL.

In the last 20 years there have been 12 QBs to win the Heisman, one of those was Leinart last year, so we won't count him.

Of the remaining 11, 8 were absolute busts:

Jason White
Chris Weinke
Eric Crouch
Danny Wuerffel
Charlie Ward
Gino Toretta
Ty Detmer
Andre Ware

2 were solid, but unspectacular

Doug Flutie
Vinny Testaverde

That leaves ONE good QB to win the Heisman in the last 20 years:

Carson Palmer.

Those percentages are UGLY.

Sorry Kast, but the numbers don't lie. There is a 9% chance that Leinart will be a star in the NFL.
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Jason white isnt a bust since no-one ever thought he would be an NFL QB

but as a whole its a great point and thread
 
I remember that Josh Heupel was a Heisman runner-up to Wienke and neither one of them had much success in the pros. The Dolphins actually picked up Heupel as an unsigned draftee and I don't think he lasted 2 games into the preseason.
 
Phin said:
I remember that Josh Heupel was a Heisman runner-up to Wienke and neither one of them had much success in the pros. The Dolphins actually picked up Heupel as an unsigned draftee and I don't think he lasted 2 games into the preseason.
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I dont think he lasted up to the pre season

every pass in camp he threw looked like he had never held a football before like it was a foreign object they all of a sudden asked him to throw
 
Then Eric Crouch, Danny Wuerffel, and Jason White were all pretty much known to be what they are great college QB's. Heck nobody even thought Crouch would take a snap as an NFL QB.
 
Good post! I do think Leinart will raise the percentages though.
 
How anyone can think this thread is "interesting" or use it against Leinart is beyond me. Silly logic. Let's break it down:


Jason White went undrafted, thus no one expected anything out of him.

Chris Weinke was a 4th rounder, how is he a bust?

Eric Crouch was a 3rd rounder and drafted as a WR.

Danny Wuerfell was a 4th rounder. Again, 4th rounders are not "busts".

Charlie Ward opted to play basketball. Not a bust.

Gino Torretta was a 7th rounder. A 7th round bust? LOL.

Ty Detmer was a 9th rounder. If anything, he exceeded expectations by staying in the league as long as he did.

Andre Ware was the 7th overall pick and the ONLY legitimate bust on your list.



Matt Leinart is a projected top-5 pick. The ONLY guys on this list he fits in with are Vinny Testaverde, Andre Ware and Carson Palmer. You were better off making a list of top-5 picks who ended up being busts.
 
Thank you Liquid for not making me have to type all of that.
 
The post is about Heisman QB's not making it in the pros. Not whether they were a bust based on where they were drafted. If that was the discussion then, yeah, you'd be right.
 
Phin said:
The post is about Heisman QB's not making it in the pros. Not whether they were a bust based on where they were drafted. If that was the discussion then, yeah, you'd be right.
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I believe the point he was making is that one can judge professional expectation by where they are taken in the draft and since nearly all of the players were taken in later rounds, there was little expectation that, despite being Heisman winners, there were not expected to be Pro NFL QBs. ;)
 
my point is winning the Heisman as a QB means nothing in the pros. Just because a player wins it, it doesn't matter in the NFL.
 
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