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I mentioned this in several posts, but one of the most predictive stats of a team winning a game is the winning team's QBR v. the losing team's QBR. This is not the traditional 'qb rating' number the NFL uses, but rather a stat that measures performance relative to expected value given game situation, down and distance, and score I.e., quarterbacks throwing for a lot of yards after the game is over won't score as high on those passes as ones that did so early in the game or in a close game; throwing for 8 yards on 3rd and 10 won't earn a qb as much value as throwing for 8 yards on 1st and 10.

In the past three weeks, in 34 of the 40 games the team with the starting quarterback with the higher QBR defeated the team whose quarterback put up a lower QBR.....so 85% that a team won, their quarterback had a higher QBR.

The rub? Three of the six times in the past three weeks that the team lost despite their quarterback putting up a better QBR were the Dolphins. So the Dolphins were 0-3 with a higher QBR while the rest of the league went 34-3 (92%). IMO, a stat that is predicting the winning team 92% of the time when the Dolphins aren't playing is one that can't be ignored.

So what is different? It's not as simple as the Dolphins don't throw downfield -- QBR accounts for that in the real v expected values of plays; additionally, there does not seem to be any corelation in other teams who post a higher QBR and aren't taking downfield shots. IMO, consistently having results in terms of score that don't match up to what should be expected indicates an underperformance that is likely connected with a couple of things:

1. simple bad luck (which I would write off here as the odds of losing three straight on a prediction that should be 90% accurate is very slim);
2. penalties putting the offense in harder situations (that certainly has happened)
3. bad special teams plays, which wouldn't show up in either team's QBR numbers (yep)
4. bad mixing of run/pass play calls (check)

Thoughts?
 
I could give a flying F' what his QBR is. Tua doesn't know the playbook and does not have an NFL arm.
I would have a great QBR too throwing 8 yards.
This is not what an NFL offense is supposed to look like.
Doesn’t know the playbook? You guys never fail
to entertain.
 
It is interesting. Thanks for posting but honestly, who cares about about stats where it’s clear to anyone who watches this team, Tua doesn’t have the mobility or arm strength to succeed in the nfl in 2021. Oh and our OL sucks
 
It is interesting. Thanks for posting but honestly, who cares about about stats where it’s clear to anyone who watches this team, Tua doesn’t have the mobility or arm strength to succeed in the nfl in 2021. Oh and our OL sucks
Mobility? His pocket presence is very good

Arm strength is also fine.
 
Doesn’t know the playbook? You guys never fail
to entertain.
So him not identifying that there are the wrong amount of receivers on one side is knowing the playbook?
Have you ever played football? Gesicki saw it, why? Because unlike Tua he knew the play.
If Tua knew the play he should've called a timeout. He is clueless.
That resulted in a turn over in the RedZone by the way.
 
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So him not identifying that there are the wrong amount of receivers on one side is knowing the playbook?
Have you ever played football? Gesicki saw it, why? Because unlike Tua he knew the play.
If Tua knew the play he should've called a timeout. He is clueless.
Conjecture at its finest
 
I mentioned this in several posts, but one of the most predictive stats of a team winning a game is the winning team's QBR v. the losing team's QBR. This is not the traditional 'qb rating' number the NFL uses, but rather a stat that measures performance relative to expected value given game situation, down and distance, and score I.e., quarterbacks throwing for a lot of yards after the game is over won't score as high on those passes as ones that did so early in the game or in a close game; throwing for 8 yards on 3rd and 10 won't earn a qb as much value as throwing for 8 yards on 1st and 10.

In the past three weeks, in 34 of the 40 games the team with the starting quarterback with the higher QBR defeated the team whose quarterback put up a lower QBR.....so 85% that a team won, their quarterback had a higher QBR.

The rub? Three of the six times in the past three weeks that the team lost despite their quarterback putting up a better QBR were the Dolphins. So the Dolphins were 0-3 with a higher QBR while the rest of the league went 34-3 (92%). IMO, a stat that is predicting the winning team 92% of the time when the Dolphins aren't playing is one that can't be ignored.

So what is different? It's not as simple as the Dolphins don't throw downfield -- QBR accounts for that in the real v expected values of plays; additionally, there does not seem to be any corelation in other teams who post a higher QBR and aren't taking downfield shots. IMO, consistently having results in terms of score that don't match up to what should be expected indicates an underperformance that is likely connected with a couple of things:

1. simple bad luck (which I would write off here as the odds of losing three straight on a prediction that should be 90% accurate is very slim);
2. penalties putting the offense in harder situations (that certainly has happened)
3. bad special teams plays, which wouldn't show up in either team's QBR numbers (yep)
4. bad mixing of run/pass play calls (check)

Thoughts?
Turnovers
 
Conjecture at its finest
Conjecture? I played football at college level. Tua is lost. How the hell does he Know the play but doesnt realize there are the wrong amount of receivers on one side? That is super braindead dude. One coincides directly with the other.
Why? His pre-snap read should be looking at the coverage and knowing where all routes are going and Tua misses the fact that there is no WR on the left? That means he is just pretending to make reads because his first or second look should be at his route coverage on the left and his brain doesn't register something is off?
Our playbook is already Jr HS level and we run the same plays over and over and Tua still doesn't know what he is doing.
 
1. I did not play college football.
2. Tua does not have a noodle arm
3. Playing college football does not make one an expert on a play that they have no idea what was called. Geiscki could have been at fault, Waddle, The OC, Hunt, Reiter....Flores, or whoever else called the play.

What anyone can agree on I would think is that it was a ridiculous play and most coaches call timeouts when a play like that is about to happen.

Tua does not know what he is doing? - Again I am not a college player but watched a guy named Kurt Warner show how good Tua is reading things and how much improvement he has shown in progressions.

There are a lot of rookie and second year NFL players making huge mistakes on this team and they have cost us dearly.

I would like to know who the Dolphins say was to blame on that play and hope it comes out some day. What should have already come out is that the coaching staff takes the blame.

Oh one more place to possibly place it all. Those deafening Bills fans - who truly love their team and who were loud still when they sucked.

By so many of the posters on this board, no wonder the stands are quiet in Miami and people say the crap they do here.

Watching the Broncos blow closing out a game last night from a QB like Teddy Bridgewater reminds me that these guys are all human and make mistakes. Even vets like Teddy.

I just hope Tua actually does not follow any media.....it is just toxic
 
Conjecture? I played football at college level. Tua is lost. How the hell does he Know the play but doesnt realize there are the wrong amount of receivers on one side? That is super braindead dude. One coincides directly with the other.
Why? His pre-snap read should be looking at the coverage and knowing where all routes are going and Tua misses the fact that there is no WR on the left? That means he is just pretending to make reads because his first or second look should be at his route coverage on the left and his brain doesn't register something is off?
Our playbook is already Jr HS level and we run the same plays over and over and Tua still doesn't know what he is doing.
Oh, you played football at the college level? Well, why didn't you say so.

If that's all it takes, then why are you questioning a quarterback who played college football at a level you couldn't touch and who now plays on Sundays? Get over yourself.
 
It is interesting. Thanks for posting but honestly, who cares about about stats where it’s clear to anyone who watches this team, Tua doesn’t have the mobility or arm strength to succeed in the nfl in 2021. Oh and our OL sucks

That’s only clear to anyone who has no clue about football for judging the hardest position in sports to play after 14 games.
 
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