Ireland’s daddy (BP) “What the GM’s job?”

[Dr. Phin]

Mariono was the fifth QB taken in the first round. I dont see a problem taking the 3rd best QB with 8th pick. Unless one of the 6 elite players fall I dont see what the problem is. We need to draft a QB somewhere in the first round which means Tannehill or Weeden. Same old Same old thinking does not work anymore. We have a new Offensive coach from Green Bay and GM needs to get philbin what he wants in a QB. I doubt philbin wants retreads from other teams. He already said he wants to develop his players on offense.

Listen to philbin!

Its not the same. He isn't behind Kelly, Elway, Blackledge, and Eason....and he sure as hell isn't Dan Marino. We are talking about taking a one-year...sort-of-wonder...possible prospect at # ****ing 8....He isn't worth it. I would rather take a guaranteed player at 8, like Luke, and then draft three ****ing QB's in the late rounds and hope that statistically one of the works out...

 

[jnewmant]

We are drafting 8th for pete sakes! If we aren't in a position now we never will be!

What we need to go 0-16 or 1-15 to justify drafting a 1st round QB? That is silly logic. Nonsense!

As far as this class is concerned going 0-16 or 1-15 is exactly what we should have done if we wanted to draft a qb first round. Tannehill doesn't merit a first round selection, and just because we draft a second round qb in the first doesn't make him first round talent. We can draft a top ten player at number 8 and draft a qb that rivals his value in the second round or trade back up into the late first to secure T-hill after he plummets.

 

[Ryan1973]

As far as this class is concerned going 0-16 or 1-15 is exactly what we should have done if we wanted to draft a qb first round. Tannehill doesn't merit a first round selection, and just because we draft a second round qb in the first doesn't make him first round talent. We can draft a top ten player at number 8 and draft a qb that rivals his value in the second round or trade back up into the late first to secure T-hill after he plummets.

You hit the nail on the head. The bottom line is the Dolphins screwed up by winning all those meaningless games towards the end of the year. They needed to be in position to draft Luck or Griffin and they blew it.

 

[MercMan]

There isn't a single player in the draft this year that is guaranteed to be a success. Every pick you make is a gamble. Obviously some players will be considered less of a gamble than others but at the end of the day the day each of us is picking their favorite based on their gut instinct. My point being that none of us is infallible and knowing every pick is a gamble, you've got to keep rolling the dice when it comes to QB. Just like the lotto - your chances of winning increase with the number of tickets you buy.

 

[MikeO]

As far as this class is concerned going 0-16 or 1-15 is exactly what we should have done if we wanted to draft a qb first round. Tannehill doesn't merit a first round selection, and just because we draft a second round qb in the first doesn't make him first round talent. We can draft a top ten player at number 8 and draft a qb that rivals his value in the second round or trade back up into the late first to secure T-hill after he plummets.

Tanehilll WON'T plummet. In fact a team might trade up ahead of us to take him. Because that is where is value is.

Just because YOU don't like Tannehill you assume he isn't any good and nobody will want him. When you have a list of teams that are interested (Philly, Seattle, KC, Cleveland). He is a first round talent. He has more college starts than guys like Newton and Sanchez and they BOTH went Top 5! Yet you hold those 19 starts against him like a negative. It's foolish!

 

[Kinzua]

1) QB isn't the only hole, just the most important one!!! You build a team around a QB. You don't build a team then look for a QB to drop in as the last piece!

2)He doesn't have to play this year, its ok if QB's sit and learns. Worked for Aaron Rodgers!

Maybe it's okay in your mind, but that's NOT the way that NFL coaches and GMs are thinking. The only 2 first round QBs drafted since 2000 who sat for 2+ years were Pennington and Rodgers, both of whom were picked in the lower half of the first and were behind established starting QBs, including one who's a future HOFer. The only QBs picked in the Top 10 who did NOT start a game as a rookie -- ie, "sat for a year", were Carson Palmer in 2003 and Phillip Rivers in 2004. Most of the rest of the first rounders drafted since 2000, started games as rookies.

Since 2008, only first round QBs taken in the bottom half of the draft did NOT start as rookies:

2008: Ryan (3) and Flacco(18) both started. I think both started from opening day.
2009: Stafford (1) was injured early; Sanchez (5) started 15 games; and Freeman (17) started as a 2nd year QB.
2010: Bradford(1) started; Tebow(25) started as a 2nd year QB.
2011: Newton(1), Locker(8), Gabbert(10), Ponder(12) all started as rookies.
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If Miami drafts a QB at #8, then he better be ready to start as a rookie. Since Tannehill isn't ready to do that, he shouldn't be a top ten pick.

 

[Kinzua]

Only "overhyped" in your opinion! Just because you say he is "overhyped" over and over again, doesn't make it true!

Every "draft expert" from Mayock, Casserly, Kiper, McShay...etc has Tannehill as a Top 15 talent in this draft! That isn't overhyped! That is a Top pick in a draft!

:crazy: :crazy::crazy: These guys are all self-proclaimed "draft experts" who have either never worked for NFL teams in any talent-evaluation capacity or so sucked at it they got canned. They have no more actual information from the teams than the average fan because NFL teams don't share their draft boards with anyone. Anyone.

Do you know how these "experts" arrived at the idea that Miami is going to take Tannehill? It's very simple:

• Matt Moore is an UDFA starting at QB
• Mike Sherman, Miami's OC, was Texas AMs former HC
• Tannehill played for Texas A&M, ergo Sherman must love Tannehill, and ergo, Miami will take Tannehill at #8

These media mavens need drama to keep their ratings up, and QBs make drama not OLers. If they f up their mock drafts, what's the consequence to them? Nothing. They give the team(s) that didn't follow their draft recommendations lousy grades and move on. By the time these draft picks actually can be evaluated for what they've done in NFL, it's 3 or 4 drafts later and nobody remembers that the media mavens crucified the Bills in 2006 for passing on both Matt Leinart and Brady Quinn, two other over-hyped QBs. What Miami fans whine about incessantly is that the Fins took Jake Long at #1 in 2008 instead of reaching for Matt Ryan because Ryan was the one top five reach in this century who seems to have actually worked out. The odds of that happening again are about as good finding the next 6th round QB to become a HOFer.

 

[Ryan1973]

Maybe it's okay in your mind, but that's NOT the way that NFL coaches and GMs are thinking. The only 2 first round QBs drafted since 2000 who sat for 2+ years were Pennington and Rodgers, both of whom were picked in the lower half of the first and were behind established starting QBs, including one who's a future HOFer. The only QBs picked in the Top 10 who did NOT start a game as a rookie -- ie, "sat for a year", were Carson Palmer in 2003 and Phillip Rivers in 2004. Most of the rest of the first rounders drafted since 2000, started games as rookies.

Since 2008, only first round QBs taken in the bottom half of the draft did NOT start as rookies:

2008: Ryan (3) and Flacco(18) both started. I think both started from opening day.
2009: Stafford (1) was injured early; Sanchez (5) started 15 games; and Freeman (17) started as a 2nd year QB.
2010: Bradford(1) started; Tebow(25) started as a 2nd year QB.
2011: Newton(1), Locker(8), Gabbert(10), Ponder(12) all started as rookies.
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If Miami drafts a QB at #8, then he better be ready to start as a rookie. Since Tannehill isn't ready to do that, he shouldn't be a top ten pick.

I agree with you. If the Dolphins draft Tannehill at #8, he needs to start as a rookie or he isn't worth drafting at that spot. The Dolphins can't afford to draft someone at #8 that is going to sit for a couple of years. They need a guy to come in and make an impact right away.

 

[Adam Strange]

God forbid we draft a QB who doesn't work out with the #8 pick. We should, instead, continue the tradition of picking busts and over-valued players in the top 10 at positions other than QB (Ronnie Brown, Ted Ginn). Or maybe trade way down, use even more picks on linemen, and draft a QB in the later rounds-- what could go wrong (besides Chad Henne, Pat White)? Then next April we'll be in the exact same position-- too mediocre to get into the playoffs, too mediocre to snag one of the top QBs. And so it goes...

 

[jnewmant]

Tanehilll WON'T plummet. In fact a team might trade up ahead of us to take him. Because that is where is value is.

Just because YOU don't like Tannehill you assume he isn't any good and nobody will want him. When you have a list of teams that are interested (Philly, Seattle, KC, Cleveland). He is a first round talent. He has more college starts than guys like Newton and Sanchez and they BOTH went Top 5! Yet you hold those 19 starts against him like a negative. It's foolish!

Please show me where I have said anything about how many starts Tannehill has had and how that's the reason I don't like him at number 8. The fact is alot of teams may be using there interest in Tannehill as smokescreens. Seattle and KC would both benefit if someone ahead of them drafted Tannehill because that would push a guy that is actually worth a top ten pick to them if T-hill is in fact drafted in the top ten. It's in their best interest for a team to trade ahead of them and pick T-hill so why not fake interest. Cleveland's interest imo is in Weeden at number 22 or 24 whatever their second first round pick is. IMO they are just trying to pump up his value and hope some team will trade up with them at 4 and they can collect more picks and still end up with the qb they really want in Weeden. As far as Newton and Sanchezs number of starts are concerned I really couldn't care less. Newton looked great last year but Tannehill is nowhere near his level of talent and if Sanchez is even remotely close to what you would use as your litmus test for qb value and or worth then we really are in sad shape as a team.

 

[fishbanger]

Again I think its case closed as phins took the fifth QB in the 1983 draft who threw 23 INTs in his senior year and most of you would be throwing him under the bus if phins picked 8th that year. Why do you all think we have had 3 losing seasons in a row? I think its because we drafted Heene and White as QBs for the future. Now we have to continually start the future over every year till When? Till we find a starting QB. Tannehill will be that starter. You dont have to like him. You guys can root for the Osweilers and Cousins of this world all you want.

 

[Dr. Phin]

Again I think its case closed as phins took the fifth QB in the 1983 draft who threw 23 INTs in his senior year and most of you would be throwing him under the bus if phins picked 8th that year. Why do you all think we have had 3 losing seasons in a row? I think its because we drafted Heene and White as QBs for the future. Now we have to continually start the future over every year till When? Till we find a starting QB. Tannehill will be that starter. You dont have to like him. You guys can root for the Osweilers and Cousins of this world all you want.

The only reason this guy will go in the first round is because of people like you...people desperately reaching for a QB...QB's that are not franchise QB's. He does not have 1st round talent. He is being driven up in the draft due to desperation...that doesn't make him have 1st round talent.

 

[Wildbill3]

The only reason this guy will go in the first round is because of people like you...people desperately reaching for a QB...QB's that are not franchise QB's. He does not have 1st round talent. He is being driven up in the draft due to desperation...that doesn't make him have 1st round talent.

he's going to be drafted in the 1st, he's the 3rd best qb this draft, and if you need a qb, you grab him when you can. for us that is going to be pick number 8, that makes him a first round talent.

 

[jnewmant]

he's going to be drafted in the 1st, he's the 3rd best qb this draft, and if you need a qb, you grab him when you can. for us that is going to be pick number 8, that makes him a first round talent.

I don't think it makes him first round talent, it makes him second round talent that will be drafted in the first round. Same thing for Weeden because of the age issue. Just like Pat White was fifth round talent drafted in the second round. The round you are drafted in does not decide your level of talent, it should be vice versa but because of the lack of talent at this specific position talent will be overdrafted.