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Is 1-6 okay if Culpepper had gotten hurt in week 1?

Basically I'm trying to say that our season so far is no different than a common season of a team that lost their franchise QB to injury. Obviously Culpepper didnt get hurt in week 1, but he was already hurt and unable to play. So my question is...can you really expect more than a 1-6 record from a team that played its first 4 games with an injured QB, and its last 3 games with his replacement.

I drove from near Jacksonville to Miami to see the game today. It was well worth the drive. I finally got to see if our recievers were really open or not. The answer is YES. THEY WERE OPEN!!!

Joey Harrington is a garbage QB who hangs his WRs out to dry and overthrows or completely ignores WIDE OPEN RECEIVERS!!! More than 5 times I saw a reciever streaking wide open and joey didnt even throw the ball his way. Also, everytime he sent the ball deep he overthrew the WR by at least 5 yards, with the exception of the one Booker catch. His QB play is a game of deferment. He goal is to find a guy to dump off the ball to no matter what to get the pressure off of him. He will throw into double triple, or even blanketed coverage in order to get rid of the ball if he is under heat. He will lead his reciever into a rediculous catch attempt where their only option is to swat in an attempt to make an off balance catch which leads to a tipped pass and most of the time an INT. I dont care how many yards he throws for. He played like garbage.

Culpepper @ less than 100%
3 TDS / 3 turnovers in 4 games

Harrington @ 100%
3 TDS / 7 turnovers in 3 games

people can agrue that all the tipped ints arent Joeys fault, bullsh_t. It isnt a coinsidence, he leads them into these tipped passes.

It is obvious that we are better off with an injured Culpepper than a healthy Harrington. I say give Daunte all the time he needs and we use our stellar draft picks on a Oline. We could end up improving our team by alot because of Culpeppers injury. With him healthy next year and an improved secondary and OL, who knows man, Im not making any predictions, Im done with hype and ptoential, Im just saying we should have a good opportunity to improve.

And yes....its official.....the season is over. A 10 game winning streak is a rediculous idea that shouldnt even be entering our heads. Time to switch our crosshairs to our only remaining opponent this year...........OAKLAND!
 
Culpeppers knee has nothing to do with his holding onto the ball to long causing sacks and pressure forced poor throws.
 
Flawed Theory - If he was hurt, then why did we get him? Did Saban wanna waste a year? And another flaw is that even a healthy Culpepper, is not a winning Qb. Worst theory ever youve got here.
 
FinFan84 said:
Flawed Theory - If he was hurt, then why did we get him? Did Saban wanna waste a year? And another flaw is that even a healthy Culpepper, is not a winning Qb. Worst theory ever youve got here.
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Correct. Considering Harrington as been sacked only 6 times in 3 games as opposed to Culpeppers, what?, 19 times in 4? Obviously Culpepper was holding onto the ball to long.

Harrington gets the ball out quickly. The problem with him is he often makes a bad decision in doing so.

The Dolphins need a QB who has a quick release and makes great decisions with the football. He doesn't need a super strong arm since he won't be able to sit back into the pocket for long, just a guy who can really make the offensive line look good.

Who could that have been.....who could that have been.....

Well maybe the Dolphins can get someone in the 2nd round
 
LSSpam said:
Culpeppers knee has nothing to do with his holding onto the ball to long causing sacks and pressure forced poor throws.
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...and strangely enough those "pressure forced poor throws" have netted C-Pep four less interceptions in one more game played...

Not that I'm throwing my chips on either QB, they're both sucking right now. :shakeno:
 
Colorado Dolfan said:
...and strangely enough those "pressure forced poor throws" have netted C-Pep four less interceptions in one more game played...

Not that I'm throwing my chips on either QB, they're both sucking right now. :shakeno:
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Culpepper had some poor throws because of pressure, my only point. Not suggesting he makes worse decisions then Harrington (he doesn't).

Ones a drive killer because he takes sacks, the other is a drive killer because he throws picks. So take your pick. I guess Culpepper wins because at least you get a punt's worth of field position for your defense with him. Neither will win with the current roster of talent though.

You need Minnie's offensive line to make it worth with Culpepper. Good luck pulling that together anytime soon.
 
KC has won some games with Damon Huard. Last time I checked, Trent Green was better that Culpepper. Knee or no Knee.
 
phins4gish said:
Is 1-6 okay if Culpepper had gotten hurt in week 1?

Basically I'm trying to say that our season so far is no different than a common season of a team that lost their franchise QB to injury. Obviously Culpepper didnt get hurt in week 1, but he was already hurt and unable to play. So my question is...can you really expect more than a 1-6 record from a team that played its first 4 games with an injured QB, and its last 3 games with his replacement.

I drove from near Jacksonville to Miami to see the game today. It was well worth the drive. I finally got to see if our recievers were really open or not. The answer is YES. THEY WERE OPEN!!!

Joey Harrington is a garbage QB who hangs his WRs out to dry and overthrows or completely ignores WIDE OPEN RECEIVERS!!! More than 5 times I saw a reciever streaking wide open and joey didnt even throw the ball his way. Also, everytime he sent the ball deep he overthrew the WR by at least 5 yards, with the exception of the one Booker catch. His QB play is a game of deferment. He goal is to find a guy to dump off the ball to no matter what to get the pressure off of him. He will throw into double triple, or even blanketed coverage in order to get rid of the ball if he is under heat. He will lead his reciever into a rediculous catch attempt where their only option is to swat in an attempt to make an off balance catch which leads to a tipped pass and most of the time an INT. I dont care how many yards he throws for. He played like garbage.

Culpepper @ less than 100%
3 TDS / 3 turnovers in 4 games

Harrington @ 100%
3 TDS / 7 turnovers in 3 games

people can agrue that all the tipped ints arent Joeys fault, bullsh_t. It isnt a coinsidence, he leads them into these tipped passes.

It is obvious that we are better off with an injured Culpepper than a healthy Harrington. I say give Daunte all the time he needs and we use our stellar draft picks on a Oline. We could end up improving our team by alot because of Culpeppers injury. With him healthy next year and an improved secondary and OL, who knows man, Im not making any predictions, Im done with hype and ptoential, Im just saying we should have a good opportunity to improve.

And yes....its official.....the season is over. A 10 game winning streak is a rediculous idea that shouldnt even be entering our heads. Time to switch our crosshairs to our only remaining opponent this year...........OAKLAND!
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Good point about Harrington. Only a child won't be able to see that all these INTS by Harrington is not a coincidence. They are almost "ALL" at the very least "partially" his fault. So, your right. We'll be fine next year with Culpepper in the helm.

But are you sure we don't need a better #1 WR than Chambers?
 
LSSpam said:
Culpeppers knee has nothing to do with his holding onto the ball to long causing sacks and pressure forced poor throws.
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PLEASE!!!!

Are you kidding?

He is used to holding on to the ball that long. He can normally use his mobility to buy the time that he needs to make the plays he is known for. Without his knees at 100% he cant move around like he used to and cant have the time he needs. Would you rather that he throw it into a swarm of LBs and give the opposing team an easy score?

I can't see the logic in Harrington supporters at this point, he has proven his worth. ZERO. He has also proved that our oline isnt as bad at pass protecting as it looked, it WAS CULPEPPERS LACK OF MOBILITY THAT CAUSED THE SACKS!!!!!!

Please someone show me how Harrington is doing what most of you said he would? He isnt winning, or even playing decent.
 
phins4gish said:
PLEASE!!!!

Are you kidding?

He is used to holding on to the ball that long. He can normally use his mobility to buy the time that he needs to make the plays he is known for. Without his knees at 100% he cant move around like he used to and cant have the time he needs. Would you rather that he throw it into a swarm of LBs and give the opposing team an easy score?
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He is not used to using his mobility to buy time. Culpepper didn't roll out of the pocket all that often in Minnesota. He had a substantially better offensive line in Minnie, this is true, but all this means is your Coaching staff was idiotic in acquiring a player who didn't fit with your personnal.

Harrington has 6 sacks in 3 games, Culpepper has 21 in 4. There's a clear difference and not really much of a discussion about this. Culpepper gets sacked and pressured more and that is because he holds onto the ball longer.

The whys and hows are inconsquential. Culpepper will not be able to succeed unless he gets rid of the ball faster or the offensive line is substantially better. Running around will not change this fact.
 
FinFan84 said:
Flawed Theory - If he was hurt, then why did we get him? Did Saban wanna waste a year? And another flaw is that even a healthy Culpepper, is not a winning Qb. Worst theory ever youve got here.
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Your flaws of my theory are flawed.

First of all, we made a mistake by playing Culpepper while he was injured. No one said we did that on purpose to waste a year. That comment is rediculous.

I also do not care what Culpepper's winning % was when he was healthy on another team with another coach and another defense.

The facts are that:
1. He was not healthy when we thought he was.
2. His mobility issues lead to increased sacks
3. We realized the mistake we made and are now giving him time to heal.
4. Harrington is playing HORRIBLE without any injuries whatsoever.

If you want to rip my "theory" apart, then stick to the facts and back up your opinions.
 
phins4gish said:
Your flaws of my theory are flawed.

First of all, we made a mistake by playing Culpepper while he was injured. No one said we did that on purpose to waste a year. That comment is rediculous.

I also do not care what Culpepper's winning % was when he was healthy on another team with another coach and another defense.

The facts are that:
1. He was not healthy when we thought he was.
2. His mobility issues lead to increased sacks
3. We realized the mistake we made and are now giving him time to heal.
4. Harrington is playing HORRIBLE without any injuries whatsoever.

If you want to rip my "theory" apart, then stick to the facts and back up your opinions.
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Culpepper being sacked has nothing to do with his mobility. My recommendation is you watch football for a few years before you make sweeping comments.

For example, in 2004, Culpeppers best season, he was sacked 46 times, making him one of the top 10 sacked QBs that season. In just 7 games last year, BEFORE he was injured, he was sacked 31 times. Over 4 times a game.

Culpepper holds onto the ball. This has nothing to do with mobility. He's always been a highly sacked QB. This was even with an O-Line loaded with Pro Bowlers

You can't just make crap up. There has to be basis. There is no basis for attributing Culpeppers sacks to his knee injury when he has always been sacked more then most, even with a substantially better line.
 
LSSpam said:
He is not used to using his mobility to buy time. Culpepper didn't roll out of the pocket all that often in Minnesota. He had a substantially better offensive line in Minnie, this is true, but all this means is your Coaching staff was idiotic in acquiring a player who didn't fit with your personnal.

Harrington has 6 sacks in 3 games, Culpepper has 21 in 4. There's a clear difference and not really much of a discussion about this. Culpepper gets sacked and pressured more and that is because he holds onto the ball longer.

The whys and hows are inconsquential. Culpepper will not be able to succeed unless he gets rid of the ball faster or the offensive line is substantially better. Running around will not change this fact.
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Thank you for making my point again. Look what the horrible Harrington can do with his minimal level of scrambling ability. Even the most pocket type passers need that ability to burst from side to side and elude pass rushers to buy at least a second or two. So it is obvious that Culpeppers lack of explosive movement was leading to his getting sacked more. So wouldnt it be logical, bear with me, to think that if he was healthy he could avoid a tackle and make a play? I didnt say he has to run all around the field like that crazy guy in ATL. I'm just talking about the kinds of moves that buy enough time to get the ball out of his hands.

Please people, you cant actually believe in Harrington! Can you? This is the best he can do!!!!! THINK ABOUT THAT!!! Culpepper was playing INJURED!!!! AND DOING A BETTER JOB!!!!!!!
 
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