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i have seen numerous drafts that have james laurinaitis dropping into 2nd round of draft and poss low in 2nd round.

i was considering that early mock drafts for 08 had dan conner as mid round 1st pick then before draft day late 1st round pick. Considering how far he fell if same happens to james laurinaitis and he is available say at..... 2a / 2b, with one ILB spot being a probable weak spot on the team and a cert that depth is an issue, i believe if same happens again and james laurinaitis is available in 2nd we should draft him.
 
I will admit I don't watch a lot of OSU games( even though ESPN is in love with them). But from watching the BCS game against UF, I was not overly impressed with him. It was partly because of the defensive game plan they employed, lining up 10 yds from the LOS and sitting back, letting the offense come to them. I guess they were afraid of UF's speed, but that was the most moronic thing I had seen on a football field in a long time. But I digress. Laurinaitis does not have that Wow factor that you would expect from a 1st rd. pick. And it seemed as though he didn't handle the offensive blockers that well in the game. I just don't get the hype around this guy. His measurable are anything but spectacular. Maybe I need to see more tape, but he seems like a run of the mill MLB. JMHO.
 
I will admit I don't watch a lot of OSU games( even though ESPN is in love with them). But from watching the BCS game against UF, I was not overly impressed with him. It was partly because of the defensive game plan they employed, lining up 10 yds from the LOS and sitting back and letting the offense come to them. I guess they were afraid of UF's speed, but that was the most moronic thing I had seen on a football field in a long time. But I digress. Laurinaitis does not have that Wow factor that you would expect from a 1st rd. pick. And it seemed as though he didn't handle the offensive blockers that well in the game. I just don't get the hype around this guy. His measurable are anything but spectacular. Maybe I need to see more tape, but he seems like a run of the mill MLB. JMHO.

Yeah I don't think he's game changer...but his production and durability throughout his career is really second to none in this draft....

Also by the same token...

If you want to look at the film of Rey Maualuga against Oregon St....he looked like a complete baffoon....misreading plays...getting engulfed by offensive lineman, etc....they pounded him into submission with a 5-7, 180 pound true freshman runningback for crying out loud...

Laurinaitis isn't quite the prospect Andy Katzenmoyer was....but he certainly could be the better pro linebacker...not that Katzenmoyer was bad....it was just like he turned to glass once he cashed his first NFL paycheck....
 
Man Connor did fall hard last year. Ole boy slipped to the 3rd round. His interviews at the combine must have killed him because pre-combine he was the nations best ILB prospect.
 
if James Laurinaitis is there with our 2b pick i think he is a dolphin as long as we didnt draft a LB before that
 
I would take him with our 3rd if he is still there as that would be tremendous value but I just don't like him for a first day pick unless everyone we need has just been pillaged.
 
i'd grab little animal in the 2nd if reyrey or cushing didn't fall to 25. he's no superstar but is fundamentally sound. could be a tossup between JL and clay at 44.
 
To the OP, yes and no.

Yes, Laurinaitis is dropping based on the hype machine converging with the reality machine. The hype is that an ILB is a money position for TV crews, as they make the plays, they lead like a QB on defense, they hit, they flow, they stuff at the goal line, they stop 3rd down runs up the middle, etc. That's priceless stuff to a TV annoucning crew who is always calling the guys name, so any good ILB/MLB is going to get overhyped. Plus, let's face it, there are fewer made-for-TV stories as good as Laurinaitis ... a big, strong, fast hulking manchild who is a white, pretty boy, son of a famous nutso wrestler, well documented leader, and both the face and heart of a perennial glamour program like Ohio State ... and who turned down certain riches in the NFL to return for a shot at the National Title. So for this guy ... the hype machine was always working overtime.

The reality is that in the NFL there are very few ILB's/MLB's that are difference makers. Sure, they make a ton of tackles, but in the NFL everyone is a quick read, a solid tackler, and an exceptional run-stuffer. If they aren't then they simply don't make the roster in the NFL without some real extroidinary athletic talent. Someone like Channing Crowder is the exceptions because he's not a good read and he doesn't stuff the run in the hole ... but his exceptional pursuit skills, size, speed, ability to shed, and relentlessness allows him to be mediocre. In the NFL, it is the edge rushers that are the difference makers, and those guys are always OLB's and DE's, and if you get one that is even a slight improvement over what you had last year then you are very likely to see a major improvement in your defense. Those edge rushers are rarer and faaaaaaaaaaar more of a factor than an ILB/MLB. The reality is that guys like Ray Lewis or possibly Brian Urlacher just aren't easy to find. They are the few real difference makers at a position that rarely produces them.

Laurinaitis is a guy who is a very solid player with exceptional leadership, size, pursuit, and read, but he isn't a forced fumble machine or an intereption magnet. If he lives up to his potential, he'll be a good player, but he isn't the difference between a good defense and a great defense. Looking at the defensive player of the year candidates every year, and the highest paid defenders, it's clear that ILB/MLB just isn't a high impact position compared to OLB/DE ... even though the ILB/MLB tends to lead the team in tackles.

So yeah, Mauluga and Laurenaitis aren't going to be top 10 picks, and people will percieve that they "slid" down the draft boards late in the process ... but the reality is that the hype machine over-rated their positions.

Regarding Dan Connor, he was fast, but not a great athlete and not really special as an OLB. He was always light and while you can get away with that against skinny developing college kids, in the NFL you need a mountain of muscle to deal with those men, and shedding those blocks becomes much harder and much more important. Connor was always lacking in that regard, and IMHO, that's why he slid despite being a good player and prospect. Mauluga and Laurinaitis are bigger more physical players and will not slide to the 3rd round, but don't be shocked if neither is called in the top 15 picks either, because in the first round every team is looking for the next Demarcus Ware, not the next Zach Thomas.
 
If Laurinitis fell into the 2nd round and was around at 44...I would hope and pray that Miami would pull the trigger on him. There are certainly a lot of haters on these boards when it comes to James, but I love the guy. I would be thrilled to have him rocking the fin helmet.
 
Someone like Channing Crowder is the exceptions because he's not a good read and he doesn't stuff the run in the hole ... but his exceptional pursuit skills, size, speed, ability to shed, and relentlessness allows him to be mediocre.

A truly classic sentence, lol.

Laurinaitis would be a solid future started and good rookie back-up. Like others, I too hope we pick him if he's there at 2b or even 2a.
 
I don't understand why people keep saying he is this years Katzenmoyer. Katz looked like he would have a solid NFL career, but was bitten by the injury bug and was never the same. If any former OSU LB he will be like AJ Hawk or Chris Speilman solid NFL LBs.
 
laurenitis simply dissappears in the big games and those are the games most people base their opinions on. he's solid but not special.
 
People bagged on his combine (because of his 40 time). I watched his combine drills and I thought he did terrific, just as good as Curry, incredibly smooth hips on transition points, etc. As for the disppearing in big games, again...I don't see that backed consistently looking at his college games. Just because he is not the mvp of each game he is making his presence felt out there and doing his part. He will be a very good NFL LB....hopefully for us.
 
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