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Is Marino, Taylor or Martin going to end up in a John Elway role?

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The usual line on blue ribbon commissions is that they're a lot of nice packaging around a ****ty box. Have a problem people are up in arms about? Pay a couple of high profile guys with credibility to spare to hear all the evidence, recommend the obvious, and then move on with life. That was my thought here. Shula, Dungy, Marino, Jason Taylor and Curtis Martin. Classy guys, all of them. Beyond reproach (except for Dan and his, uh, illegitimate child, of course). But what are they really going to recommend that probably won't be written in red ink once the NFL report comes out?

But I wonder if something else is afoot here, especially when it comes to Marino, Taylor and Martin. By the end of his reign Huizenga realized he knew a lot about Blockbuster Video and car dealerships and trash dumps, but he didn't know much about football. So he hired Marino to do the job Elway is doing in Denver right now. A move ahead of it's time, really. Only Dan didn't actually want to do it.

Maybe Ross has realized the same thing. Remember that he tried to lure Manning to Miami, only to find himself pitifully outclassed because he didn't have what Denver had, which was someone like Elway to seal the deal. Ross might be many things but this is a guy who's made billions in real estate development, where the ability to make a successful pitch to a heavy hitter is often the difference between winning and losing. In other words, I'm sure he doesn't lose often, and he didn't get to a position where he doesn't lose often by not learning from his defeats.

So I wonder whether this whole commission is really a way for Ross to surreptitiously interview these three guys for the job. To let them hear a full accounting of the evidence, to get a complete picture of what the job might entail, and then get their thoughts on what should be done on this issue specifically and with the organization as a whole. Then he'll be able to figure out which guy he wants for the job without offending the other two.

This all might be giving Ross too much credit -- something I rarely do -- and of course it's 100% speculation. But it all adds up.
 
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Martin as in Curtis Martin? If so classy guy yes but if they put a former JET/Patriot in charge of our football side... and I don't say this lightly but I'm done.
 
LandShark13 said:
Martin as in Curtis Martin? If so classy guy yes but if they put a former JET/Patriot in charge of our football side... and I don't say this lightly but I'm done.
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Were you done when former Jet/Patriot Bill Parcells was hired to do basically this same job? Oh, that's right, you're here, so probably not.

I don't give a good goddamn who it is or what team they played for. I just want this **** scooped off the sidewalk, never to be seen again. Find someone who can fix it. I don't know how to peer into the soul of Curtis Martin or Jason Taylor or Dan Marino and figure whether they're the right guy. I just don't. Nat Moore for sure isn't the right guy. Gator Day hopefully eliminated him from contention.

But these other guys? How should I know? All I know is that at least they've got class. At least they know how to deal with the media (Dan at least has learned how). That's a start. People want to take a **** on Curtis Martin because he played for the Jets and the Patriots but the guy was 100% class. I'd be proud for him to be one of the public faces of this team.
 
I listened to Dan when he used to be on WQAM and it always felt like he hated to talk football and Joe Rose had to labor to keep it going for the hour. I dunno, maybe it was because we lost more than we won and Dan just didn't feel comfortable talking trash about the Dolphins but I think he would get bored and frustrated pretty quickly running the team. Actually, now that I think about it half the time he hadn't even watched our game, that always rubbed me the wrong way.

He is probably the most networked of all the candidates though and networking is as important as anything in that position imo. Ireland is probably the least networked GM in the league right now.
 
I dunno if he should be the face of the franchise but Pennington should have at least been part of the council. If you're OK with going non-exDolphin for the "face of the franchise" I would throw Willie McGinest's name in the hat, he seems football smart and has a pretty good demeanor for the position.
 
roy_miami said:
I listened to Dan when he used to be on WQAM and it always felt like he hated to talk football and Joe Rose had to labor to keep it going for the hour. I dunno, maybe it was because we lost more than we won and Dan just didn't feel comfortable talking trash about the Dolphins but I think he would get bored and frustrated pretty quickly running the team. Actually, now that I think about it half the time he hadn't even watched our game, that always rubbed me the wrong way.

He is probably the most networked of all the candidates though and networking is as important as anything in that position imo. Ireland is probably the least networked GM in the league right now.
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Yeah, I don't think Dan is the guy. Just my opinion. He's never seemed to be the intellectually rigorous type. That certainly wasn't the way that he played, which was chiefly by instinct. As I recall his comment about watching film early in his career was that he took the film home "one or twice per week. I don't like to overdo it, you know?" According to Ron Jaworski, even by the late 80s (when he joined the Dolphins as a backup) Dan was not the kind of guy who could go up on a board and diagram it all out for you. Eventually he learned to do it and was dedicated to it (at least I'm pretty sure I read that somewhere). Multiple coverages and fronts and schemes probably forced his hand.

There's nothing wrong with it if that's you're style. It worked for Dan on the field. But those anecdotes don't give me a whole lot of confidence about him as a potential executive. If he's interested in it it's because he feels competitive with Elway, imo. Not because the work itself appeals to him.
 
roy_miami said:
I dunno if he should be the face of the franchise but Pennington should have at least been part of the council. If you're OK with going non-exDolphin for the "face of the franchise" I would throw Willie McGinest's name in the hat, he seems football smart and has a pretty good demeanor for the position.
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Good point, but Pennington was a teammate of guys still on the roster, including Incognito I believe, which would skew his ability to look at things impartially.
 
Ross needs to forget these stupid committeesand handle the problem himself. Tell everyone what the rules are and if they don't like it go play for someone else. We don't need a former player to be a figure head. What this team needs is a real football GM to run things. Keep it simple and efficent. That's how Joe Robbie ran things. His teams won. He was the last real owner we had.
 
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2 new committees and 2 rushing yards last week good job..
 
Guys, GM is the most important job on the team, and in reality, if we hadn't got lucky with an incredible QB in Marino, this team hasn't won since Bobby Bethard left. You know the guy that went to Washington, and put together a better team than we had and won Super Bowls.
Marino is not the guy for the job, honestly I would like Taylor better, but if I had to come up with a former player that MIGHT have the stuff it would be Pennington.
We hit on a good GM and everything else falls into place.
 
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