Is Marshall killing the offense?

[BAMAPHIN 22]

Marshall has dropped 7 TDs and run out of bounds on another. That's 8 TDs that were not scored. That is a lack of 56 points. The Dolphins have scored so far, a total of 75 points this season. That equates to 15 points per game. If Marshall had made those plays, the Dolphins offense would have scored a total of 131 points. That averages to 26 points per game. IMO Marshall is not the only factor in the Dolphins inept offensive production but he accounts for 43% of the lack of production.


What are your thoughts?

 

[datruth55]

He's not helping but who are you going to throw it to in the redzone? Hartline? He drops balls to and he's never, in any game since he's been with the Dolphins, come down with a jump ball that I've seen. Do you throw it to Bess? He lacks the speed to get separation, he catches everything but there aren't a lot of YAC coming from him. Do you throw it to Gates? I think right now the game is too big for him...he should be our 5th receiver behind Marlon Moore right now. He's got too much to learn.

 

[Buff]

I would say maybe 25% of those would be on the receiver, the other 75% would be because of either poor passing or good defence. I have never ever known a receiver not to drop a TD. Jerry Rice did it, Megatron does it, Marvin Harrison did it. No one is perfect in this game. It happens.

I understand the frustration you, and most fin fans have about the way the team is playing, but it's not just one players fault. I know your not just blaming the one player in Marshall, but the defence is a bigger worry than Marshall.

We are a C grade offence with Marshall, but an E minus without him. Last week against Revis, we saw how good Marshall was - the only receiver to have a big game against him, but also just how good Revis is. Just think if Hartline or Bess were our go too guy, Revis would have had 5 interceptions last week.

 

[Tunaphish429]

I would say maybe 25% of those would be on the receiver, the other 75% would be because of either poor passing or good defence. I have never ever known a receiver not to drop a TD. Jerry Rice did it, Megatron does it, Marvin Harrison did it. No one is perfect in this game. It happens.

I understand the frustration you, and most fin fans have about the way the team is playing, but it's not just one players fault. I know your not just blaming the one player in Marshall, but the defence is a bigger worry than Marshall.

We are a C grade offence with Marshall, but an E minus without him. Last week against Revis, we saw how good Marshall was - the only receiver to have a big game against him, but also just how good Revis is. Just think if Hartline or Bess were our go too guy, Revis would have had 5 interceptions last week.

Yea no one is perfect..But this is beyond that.. Thats staggering...**** is costing us games...

You gotta make those plays..

He wanted to get paid like a big time recevier, we paid him like one...

WTF?

 

[Penthos]

I would say maybe 25% of those would be on the receiver, the other 75% would be because of either poor passing or good defence....

Disagree, these are balls that hit Marshall in the hands or went right through them, not balls that he would have had to make circus catches to hold on to.

 

[Swantoon]

If we are relying on one player to score all the TDs it's a team problem not a Marshall problem. If he isn't getting it done they need to go somewhere else, but they can't because nobody else can get open and when they do the QB can't see them. Also we can't run the ball in the redzone, so it's much more of a team problem than a Marshall problem.

 

[KB21]

If we are relying on one player to score all the TDs it's a team problem not a Marshall problem. If he isn't getting it done they need to go somewhere else, but they can't because nobody else can get open and when they do the QB can't see them. Also we can't run the ball in the redzone, so it's much more of a team problem than a Marshall problem.

The problem is not the reliance on him, but the fact that they force the ball to him just to keep him happy.

FACT: Miami's passing offense was better in 2009 when they did not have Brandon Marshall. Without Marshall, our QB wouldn't feel pressured to force the ball to just one guy 1/3rd of the time. He could actually spread it around and throw it to the open man.

 

[LikeUntoGod]

I would say maybe 25% of those would be on the receiver, the other 75% would be because of either poor passing or good defence. I have never ever known a receiver not to drop a TD. Jerry Rice did it, Megatron does it, Marvin Harrison did it. No one is perfect in this game. It happens.

I understand the frustration you, and most fin fans have about the way the team is playing, but it's not just one players fault. I know your not just blaming the one player in Marshall, but the defence is a bigger worry than Marshall.

We are a C grade offence with Marshall, but an E minus without him. Last week against Revis, we saw how good Marshall was - the only receiver to have a big game against him, but also just how good Revis is. Just think if Hartline or Bess were our go too guy, Revis would have had 5 interceptions last week.

ROFL, WRONG.

Without Marshall being a ******* and calling Revis out two weeks before the game and without our stupid Coaching Staff going along with the idea, Revis might have had ZERO interceptions in that game.

He only had one interception in the previous 5 games because no one else was stupid enough to keep throwing over and over to the guy he was covering.

Did you see Tom Brady throwing 15 times at Revis?

 

[LikeUntoGod]

The problem is not the reliance on him, but the fact that they force the ball to him just to keep him happy.

FACT: Miami's passing offense was better in 2009 when they did not have Brandon Marshall. Without Marshall, our QB wouldn't feel pressured to force the ball to just one guy 1/3rd of the time. He could actually spread it around and throw it to the open man.

Throw to the man that is open? That is crazy talk!

 

[endorPHINS72]

How can you kill that which does not live???

 

[Phantom]

Average recievers are making tougher catches every week. The guy is costing our offense, and team points every game. In a game that momentum is so important, he is killing us.

 

[Jasone]

He's not helping but who are you going to throw it to in the redzone? Hartline? He drops balls to and he's never, in any game since he's been with the Dolphins, come down with a jump ball that I've seen. Do you throw it to Bess? He lacks the speed to get separation, he catches everything but there aren't a lot of YAC coming from him. Do you throw it to Gates? I think right now the game is too big for him...he should be our 5th receiver behind Marlon Moore right now. He's got too much to learn.

You throw to Reggie Bush, except the fact that we never have him in on redzone possessions, which makes no sense whatsoever considering he was the Saints' best redzone weapon. I think we threw to him a total of 1 time in the redzone, and he ended up scoring. Why did we even trade for him if we're not going to have him play on the parts of the field where he can help us the most? The offense has no creativity whatsoever. We're either running up the middle in the redzone, or throwing to Marshall.

 

[Jamaicankid21]

The problem is not the reliance on him, but the fact that they force the ball to him just to keep him happy.

FACT: Miami's passing offense was better in 2009 when they did not have Brandon Marshall. Without Marshall, our QB wouldn't feel pressured to force the ball to just one guy 1/3rd of the time. He could actually spread it around and throw it to the open man.

Yeah, and in 2009 we didn't have an extra OT on the right side of the field having to block for Columbo because we actually believed Carey could do we a good job 1 on 1. That is one less threat on offense you lose. Especially because Miami style of offense usually where TEs are a pretty big deal in, but we have to keep ours in. 2009 we had 15 passing TDs,

Not to mention in 2009, Our offense threw for 3100 yards that year. Our number 1 WR was Davone Bess with 758 yards, Cam with 552 , and Hartline with 502.

In fact in 2010, the Dolphins offense threw for 400 yards more than they did in 2009. The big difference between 2009-2011 isn't Brandon Marshall. It is our ability to run the ball. In 2009 we averaged 4.4 YPC, in 2010 we averaged 3.7. 2011 back to 4.4 but we aren't pounding the ball as much. Mainly because Daniel Thomas is in and out of the lineup and Reggie Bush really isn't an in between the tackle runner. That is why Chad Henne had 112 yards rushing, and Reggie Bush only has 190, and Daniel Thomas despite playing 2 less games than Reggie still has 6 more carries and 50 more yards rushing.

 

[Rev Kev]

People (you know who you are) stood up for BM trashed Henne when everyone as plain as day sees what BM brings to the table he just makes up running routes on the fly like the Revis 100 yard INT - I don't blame Moore for that - the drops the changes in personality the distraction that is BM - he is a cancer to any young QB we might bring in here someone needs to "drop" BM the minute he opens his cake hole to Luck, Jones, RGM or Barkley - stand up to the imbecile

 

[Jamaicankid21]

People (you know who you are) stood up for BM trashed Henne when everyone as plain as day sees what BM brings to the table he just makes up running routes on the fly like the Revis 100 yard INT - I don't blame Moore for that - the drops the changes in personality the distraction that is BM - he is a cancer to any young QB we might bring in here someone needs to "drop" BM the minute he opens his cake hole to Luck, Jones, RGM or Barkley - stand up to the imbecile

Running Routes on the fly? The guy tripped and fell. It is called look at another WR and target him, don't throw the ball to WR stumbling. I doubt Brandon Marshall said, hey let me run this route, pretend like I am falling, and try to catch the ball.