is philbin the smartest head coach miamis had since jj?

[MarshallFin1]

Just wondering.. i havent liked a dolphins HC this much since jj.

 

[broccoli rob]

repost this thread in 2 years and ill tell ya!

 

[MarshallFin1]

repost this thread in 2 years and ill tell ya!

really? i could have told you day 1 sparano was an idiot.

 

[broccoli rob]

really? i could have told you day 1 sparano was an idiot.

And I could have told you day 1 that Cameron was an idiot.

Its a little harder to tell whether or not Philbin is "the brightest Dolphin coach". Even if we do well this year, the jury will still be out.

I don't expect a playoff year this season, we don't have the offensive talent to compete with the powerhouse teams.

I'll be more concerned not with W-L, but how close we can keep in big games, and if we can pull off some upsets. Consistency, big plays (or at least attempts), and hopefully by the end of the season a VERY encouraging performance by Tannehill.

 

[datruth55]

I think Philbin and JJ are two different kinds of "smart" Philbin is very organized, very disciplined (but not militant) and very purposeful in what he does. JJ was very intelligent in understanding his players, understanding what it took to motivate them, recognizing talent and motivating that talent to strive to get better.

As for Philbin I was just reading Barry Jackson's blog on practice yesterday and there was a lot of good stuff but two responses to questions stood out to me a lot.

(On the energy level at today’s practice) – “I thought it was good. There was a little lull there during the two minute drill. Obviously you’re trying to create the thing and get it moving fast with first downs and clock plays. The defense has to communicate. We had a couple of procedure penalties in a row, which created a little bit of a lull, but fortunately we got through that and it ended up being a good drill. Then we had a down by two score drill, which wasn’t a two minute necessarily because there were eight minutes on the clock, but that was great because both coordinators had to make calls. So one time your down by ten but on the other side you’re up by seven, so for Kevin (Coyle) , Mike (Sherman) and Darren (Rizzi) it was good for them to be in that situation. It was good for us too, from a clock management standpoint. You know we have three (timeouts), we can use the two minute warning, do we want to take one here? You know just good discussion that provokes a lot of thought and conversation. They can have conversations in the quarterback room and go over all of that stuff, because you want your quarterbacks to be involved in clock management to a certain degree. So I think there will be a lot of good learning from it.”

and

(On Matt Moore’s comfort level in the new offense) – “I think he’s doing well. He has a good feel for the game and I thought he did a good job in those situations today. In the eight minute situation I thought he did a good job and I thought that he threw a couple of very catchable passes in the two minute drill that weren’t caught, so I thought he had a good day. I like the way he has caught onto the system. The good thing, and this happens at times, where you get so competitive and the staffs get competitive and they start game planning against one another by spending their walkthrough time on what they will see in practice, as opposed to what we’ve been stressing, which is let’s teach these guys our system. The concepts of how to play cover two or a six man slide protection and don’t worry about what the look is and what the other side does. Then we’ll see if our (system) rules stand up and see if our system needs tweaking. Because I’ve been there, I’ve been coaching a while and sometimes the assistants want to look good and they want their unit to look good because they want their guys to have confidence. For me, in the spring, especially when you’re new as a staff, you need to teach the system and let that sink in for the players.”

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The first one he comments on how everyone can learn from particular situations, from coaching staff to player. Something Sparano obviously never did since he was awful at clock management. He's just so purposeful in what he does and uses everything as a tool for teaching.

The second was really insightful as to how a defensive staff or offensive staff may start game planning against each other and lose sight of the big picture in teaching the concepts of the system they're trying to teach. I don't know how many coaches stay on task cause I've never even thought about a DC game planning in practice against his own team to look better or the OC doing the same to the defense but the fact that he recognizes it that quickly and gets the coordinators back to doing what they need to be doing in practices is impressive.

There's a lot of good info on that blog if anyone wants to read the rest. http://miamiherald.typepad.com/sports-buzz/

 

[Adam Strange]

I don't know what qualifies JJ as being "so bright." Seems to me his success was dependent on an eye for talent, not outsmarting the opponent. His Dallas teams dominated because they were simply much better than their opposition. Once he got to Miami, and his success as a personnel man diminished, so did his success. He certainly wasn't a great game-day coach when he was here, although it's understandable that he looks much better in hindsight (particularly after 5 years of Cameron/Sparano).

 

[Zounds]

As for Philbin I was just reading Barry Jackson's blog on practice yesterday and there was a lot of good stuff but two responses to questions stood out to me a lot.

I love that Philbin practices down-by-2 and the 2-minute drills. I am convinced that Sparano never practiced that with Henne. Shula practiced the 2-minute drill every single week, and it showed during games.

 

[SnakeoilSeller]

He probably is, but that is like being the leper with the most fingers.

 

[datruth55]

I don't know what qualifies JJ as being "so bright." Seems to me his success was dependent on an eye for talent, not outsmarting the opponent. His Dallas teams dominated because they were simply much better than their opposition. Once he got to Miami, and his success as a personnel man diminished, so did his success. He certainly wasn't a great game-day coach when he was here, although it's understandable that he looks much better in hindsight (particularly after 5 years of Cameron/Sparano).

While he was never able to draft the talent on the offensive side of the ball (still managed to get some decent O-lineman and Karim Abdul-Jabbar at running who was decent) he killed it on defense. He got Daryl Gardner, Jason Taylor, Zach Thomas, Sam Madison, Patrick Surtain and a few others...that defense was full of talent and was a big reason Wannstedt was here as long as he was. If not for those guys on defense Wannstedt would have been fired by season two.

 

[GoonBoss]

Does it matter?

You can be Einstein and be out of your depth as an HC.

 

[miamiron]

JJ was very intelligent in understanding his players, understanding what it took to motivate them, recognizing talent and motivating that talent to strive to get better.

Tell that to Dan Marino
when JJ took Dan's ability to audible and change plays

Nothing like tying Marino's hands behind his back and saying,"Lets go Dan"

 

[datruth55]

Tell that to Dan Marino
when JJ took Dan's ability to audible and change plays

Nothing like tying Marino's hands behind his back and saying,"Lets go Dan"

That was by far JJ's worst decision. I understand what he was trying to do but I don't think anyone agreed with it.

 

[Adam Strange]

While he was never able to draft the talent on the offensive side of the ball (still managed to get some decent O-lineman and Karim Abdul-Jabbar at running who was decent) he killed it on defense. He got Daryl Gardner, Jason Taylor, Zach Thomas, Sam Madison, Patrick Surtain and a few others...that defense was full of talent and was a big reason Wannstedt was here as long as he was. If not for those guys on defense Wannstedt would have been fired by season two.

Yes, but unfortunately you need to draft an entire team, not just a defense (and that doesn't even take into account the fact that his defense's reputation far outstrips its actual accomplishments, particularly in big games). Thus, none of his teams ever got past the divisional round of the playoffs (never won a division title either, until the year after he left). Thus, he was much less successful here than anywhere else he had been.

 

[Dr. Phin]

I hope not! JJ was a ****ing idiot. Anyone who would stop Marino from calling audibles is a moron!

The only thing JJ was good at was the draft, and only because he got so many damn picks from the Vikes.

 

[KTOWNFINFAN]

Not sure that high IQ will translate into wins. Most individuals with extremely high IQ tend to be highly specialized. Einstein, for example, was said to have trouble finding his way home from just blocks from his home. I think it is much more important to be able understand the big picture and delegate power. Much like what one of the others posted about understanding coordinators some times lose sight on teaching if favor of trying to win. Great leaders are not always the most highly intelligent, but no how to lead those who are.