Is Reshad Jones set to bring practice prowess into games?

[Geforce]

no no no...you don't want to give guys free inside releases...free inside releases are the shortest distance to your goalline...on that short yardage play i'm fine with playin the inside hip of welker you want him if he's gonna catch the ball to catch it on a outside flowing route so he's going sideways after the catch instead of vertical...that gives a solid tackler that lacks straight line speed like a sapp time to recover or enough time for your single high safety to come over provided he takes a good angle and make the tackle...

nothing irks me more than cbs that give guys free inside releases...sean smith is famous for them...

that said on that play the throws perfect welker beat sapp early in the route the balls out in front only thing if jones does maintain depth there he could have done is make the tackle after the catch...provided he takes a proper angle...the timing of the the throw from brady was spot on and the placement was also

It mostly depends on the coverage being played at the time.

If your safety help in on the inside, you cannot give the receiver a free outside release because it takes him away from your help.

If you do not have safety help or you are in zero coverage, then you cannot give the receiver a free inside release.


At the very least, the cornerback has to atleast slow up the receiver by getting a hand on him and Sapp didn't do that on either of Welker's touchdowns.

I understand what you are saying about the free inside releases, especially in the red zone. I don't know how many times I've screamed at DBs for giving up the inside so easily.

Like I said, both Jones and Sapp take equal responisibilty for that play. Sapp for overplaying the inside and giving Welker a free release to the outside, away from safety help, and Jones for taking such a bad angle.

 

[Geforce]

you play outside technique there welker runs a little quick inside breaking route off your leverage and picks it up and gets down in front of your closing from distance single high safety...or worse he picks it up in full stride and then its one on one with your single high safety in full pursuit mode and welker with all the downhill momentum

I would rather have Welker running that route inside the hashmarks than the free release he had outside the hashmarks and away from the safety. In that situation Welker picks up what 15 to 20 yards instead of 99?

 

[CANDolphan]

you play outside technique there welker runs a little quick inside breaking route off your leverage and picks it up and gets down in front of your closing from distance single high safety...or worse he picks it up in full stride and then its one on one with your single high safety in full pursuit mode and welker with all the downhill momentum

Exactly this. I'm in full agreement with Hoo.

I feel that if Sapp did just the opposite, most of the same people would be critisizing Sapp for allowing Welker on the inside.

 

[hoops]

It mostly depends on the coverage being played at the time.

If your safety help in on the inside, you cannot give the receiver a free outside release because it takes him away from your help.

If you do not have safety help or you are in zero coverage, then you cannot give the receiver a free inside release.


At the very least, the cornerback has to atleast slow up the receiver by getting a hand on him and Sapp didn't do that on either of Welker's touchdowns.

I understand what you are saying about the free inside releases, especially in the red zone. I don't know how many times I've screamed at DBs for giving up the inside so easily.

Like I said, both Jones and Sapp take equal responisibilty for that play. Sapp for overplaying the inside and giving Welker a free release to the outside, away from safety help, and Jones for taking such a bad angle.

he's playing single high...his responsibility is not just double wes welker its maintain depth against any vertical route that invades his space...your much more willing to give up an outbreaking route that takes time for the ball to arrive and cuts off the field for the ball carrier than you are or should be willing to give up inside routes coming downhill...if jones maintains the depth there he makes the tackle after the gain...the gain was likely anyways given the throw and the timing and the fact that sapp was trailing...you got to be one heck of a riverboat gambler and see some real tendencys on tape to be able to prevent that ball from being caught as a single high safety...

yes that play starts because sapp is beaten initially but thats what jones is back there for...to help out against anything that invades his vertical space...and it didn't take long for welker to be downhill and on him in that route...

 

[Zounds]

CB's always give up the inside over giving up the deep ball. Nobody wants to give up anything, but in m2m you have to give something and then try and mitigate. 10 years ago a CB could take away the inside and outside with press coverage, but the rules have changed.

 

[CANDolphan]

I agree, which is what Sapp did. It took a perfect (I use that word sparingly, but look at it... it really is) pass. I'm okay with that being completed, to be honest.

I'm not okay with it going 99 yards because Jones felt he was able to jump that route or, even worse, took one of the worst angles known to man if he WASN'T jumping the route...

 

[Zounds]

I agree, which is what Sapp did. It took a perfect (I use that word sparingly, but look at it... it really is) pass. I'm okay with that being completed, to be honest.

I'm not okay with it going 99 yards because Jones felt he was able to jump that route or, even worse, took one of the worst angles known to man if he WASN'T jumping the route...

Well I think Sapp should have played the route more conservative instead of guessing inside. It would have beena completed pass either way, but playing over Welker would have stopped a TD, unless he couldnt cover or tackle.

Either way you look at it, Jones was the emergency guy who makes the tackle if Sapp doesnt do his job. Its Sapp's job first, the Jones' second.

Also, I am not sure we even got the play in on time as the players were running to line up. There may have been some confusion. Mike Nolan had no business calling that coverage scheme anyway.

 

[RobertHorry]

Thats not even the worst play Jones made.

He lost us the Texans game all by himself.

 

[CANDolphan]

Thats not even the worst play Jones made.

He lost us the Texans game all by himself.

Don't even get me started on that.

 

[Geforce]

he's playing single high...his responsibility is not just double wes welker its maintain depth against any vertical route that invades his space...your much more willing to give up an outbreaking route that takes time for the ball to arrive and cuts off the field for the ball carrier than you are or should be willing to give up inside routes coming downhill...if jones maintains the depth there he makes the tackle after the gain...the gain was likely anyways given the throw and the timing and the fact that sapp was trailing...you got to be one heck of a riverboat gambler and see some real tendencys on tape to be able to prevent that ball from being caught as a single high safety...

yes that play starts because sapp is beaten initially but thats what jones is back there for...to help out against anything that invades his vertical space...and it didn't take long for welker to be downhill and on him in that route...

You would rather have a receiver running away from your single high safety than towards him? Having the receiver run down the hashmark is always better than the receiver running free outside the hashmark and away from your safety.

You don't need to be a riverboat gambler to see what Sapp was doing all game. He was over playing the inside, giving Welker the outside release relatively easily. The Patriots just waited for the right moment to unleash that play knowing that if Welker got to the outside against Sapp that at the very least it would give them some breathing room away from their goal line.

 

[Lord Of Miami]

Jones shouldn't start in the NFL, he did the same thing in College.

He's the kind of guy you give a play to run before the play starts, like go get the QB or play center field, and them guys only play on dime on decent teams.....and that's it.

If Jones starts this year that means our coach is a dum dum and he'll be gone in two years , and we'll be winning 6 or 7 games for the next 3 years.