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OK, I'm sure that this has been discussed before, as everything regarding Ronnie Brown's contract has been discussed ad nauseum, but nevertheless, I was reading the news article on how far apart France and the Phins are, and I couldn't help but think: If it's incentives that they are so far apart on, could Ricky being in camp be causing Ronnie to hold out for as long as he has? If France is scared (among many other things) of Ronnie having to play backup to Ricky, he won't want to sign an incentive laden contract, whereas if Ronnie was coming in 1st on the depth chart, he might be more willing to.

Just a thought...
 
Good point....Having Ricky on the roster could make it more difficult to reach incentives particularly in his first few years...
 
Regina Phin said:
OK, I'm sure that this has been discussed before, as everything regarding Ronnie Brown's contract has been discussed ad nauseum, but nevertheless, I was reading the news article on how far apart France and the Phins are, and I couldn't help but think: If it's incentives that they are so far apart on, could Ricky being in camp be causing Ronnie to hold out for as long as he has? If France is scared (among many other things) of Ronnie having to play backup to Ricky, he won't want to sign an incentive laden contract, whereas if Ronnie was coming in 1st on the depth chart, he might be more willing to.

Just a thought...
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No doubt Ricky being here is playing into the negotiations to some degree. But both Ronnie na dhis agent know that Ronnie is the RB of the future and they also know that Ronnie will more thn likely be the starter at the start of the season and may remain the starter when Ricky gets back from suspension. Both sides are using Ricky as a negotiating tool. From the Dolphins side, they are saying we have RW and several others so Ronnie's value to us is not quite what you are looking for. And France and Ronnie are saying that with Ricky there, why should they take less guaranteed money and more incentive money when, with RW around, it will be harder to reach the incentives. BLAH BLAH BLAH. i just wish they'd get it over with.
 
Regina Phin said:
OK, I'm sure that this has been discussed before, as everything regarding Ronnie Brown's contract has been discussed ad nauseum, but nevertheless, I was reading the news article on how far apart France and the Phins are, and I couldn't help but think: If it's incentives that they are so far apart on, could Ricky being in camp be causing Ronnie to hold out for as long as he has? If France is scared (among many other things) of Ronnie having to play backup to Ricky, he won't want to sign an incentive laden contract, whereas if Ronnie was coming in 1st on the depth chart, he might be more willing to.

Just a thought...
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Ricky is not hurting Ronnie. Ronnie is hurting ronnie.
 
possible..but in the end it's ronnie who needs to sign and get on the team. I don't even know if the dolphins know what they want to do with RW. Hopefully keep both.
 
Regina Phin said:
OK, I'm sure that this has been discussed before, as everything regarding Ronnie Brown's contract has been discussed ad nauseum, but nevertheless, I was reading the news article on how far apart France and the Phins are, and I couldn't help but think: If it's incentives that they are so far apart on, could Ricky being in camp be causing Ronnie to hold out for as long as he has? If France is scared (among many other things) of Ronnie having to play backup to Ricky, he won't want to sign an incentive laden contract, whereas if Ronnie was coming in 1st on the depth chart, he might be more willing to.

Just a thought...
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Well, I'd say that it IS affecting Frances contract negotiations...The holdup now is incentives. RW definitely affects RBs incentive package...the problem for France is that the longer he holds out Brown, the more Brown is hurt...

Brown will be first on the chart come the season start because even though he is not in camp yet. That is because, plainly and simply, he is the best RB we have since RW will be suspended the first 4 games. After that, at least in theory, RW should be ready and raring to go and will affect Brown's carries. When RW comes back, he'll garner more and more touches. Brown will be part of the offense, thru the air, but less on the ground with RW back...
 
Lowballing Ronnie based on depending on Ricky is something
Wanny would do.
 
DeDolfan said:
Ricky is not hurting Ronnie. Ronnie is hurting ronnie.
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agreed 100%, ricky is not going to be the starter anytime soon this year, he is tiny i though someone was goign to break him in half on monday, dont get me wrong here, he has tons of time untill he is allowed to play in the season and he will get back to a good form and have a decent to good season, but he will not be back to his original form untill next season and that is IF he wants to be back to that form wich right now looks like a no
 
I look at it like this, since we have Ricky on the team we should base as much of Ronnie's contract on incentives as we can, particularly in the first couple years. People can hate on Ricky all they want but Ricky's proven that he can play in this league. I wouldn't view it as a downgrade if either Ricky or Ronnie were in the game so I say give him all the incentives we can because we know we can always put Ricky in the game.
 
SCall13 said:
No doubt Ricky being here is playing into the negotiations to some degree. But both Ronnie na dhis agent know that Ronnie is the RB of the future and they also know that Ronnie will more thn likely be the starter at the start of the season and may remain the starter when Ricky gets back from suspension. Both sides are using Ricky as a negotiating tool. From the Dolphins side, they are saying we have RW and several others so Ronnie's value to us is not quite what you are looking for. And France and Ronnie are saying that with Ricky there, why should they take less guaranteed money and more incentive money when, with RW around, it will be harder to reach the incentives. BLAH BLAH BLAH. i just wish they'd get it over with.
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What in the world has Ronnie ever done to make you think he is ready to start in the NFL? Well besides be an early pick and have lots of money coming his way. Saban will play the best player he has at every position. Ricky has a ton of talent and lots of experience.

At this point, I find a serious problem thinking Ronnie will be able to start for any team within the first half of the season. Especially with as much depth that the Dolphins have at RB.

I think Sban and Linehan had a very clean slate when they came to teh team. So Rickys past transgression means very little in if he or Ronnie starts. Ronnie probably has many more black marks against him then Ricky does right now, at least for the current coaches/decision makers.

Ronnie was buried on the depth chart in college, I find it much more likely that it will continue at the pro level considering he was drafted for his "utility" skills, not his pure running skills. As was pointed out elsewhere, the majority of individual coaching will end within 3 weeks. This holdout has put him way behind. Way, way behind.
 
Mauler said:
Ronnie was buried on the depth chart in college, I find it much more likely that it will continue at the pro level considering he was drafted for his "utility" skills, not his pure running skills.
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That's where I think the problem is. I think that Ronnie and France know that he may end up lower on the depth chart and they're trying to compensate by trying to get more guaranteed money instead of incentives.

At the beginning of this whole thing I kept thinking that if it's the difference of 1 million or something, then the Phins should just suck it up and give him his money. Now I'm starting to think that maybe France and Ronnie need to get their heads in the game. France should be trying to get as much money as he can for his client, but Ronnie WILL have incentives in his contract, so if he falls behind in camp and can't recover, he may end up costing his client money, too.
 
Regina Phin said:
France should be trying to get as much money as he can for his client, but Ronnie WILL have incentives in his contract, so if he falls behind in camp and can't recover, he may end up costing his client money, too.
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The majority of the those incentives may be loaded in the 2nd, 3rd, 4th and 5th year of the contract. So getting the contract done to best pay Ronnie may not be as adversly affected with his stat line this year. So assuring he gets paid for his stats next year and beyond, may be a financial boon for them.
 
hypothetical(i know saban hates hypos)...if brown doesn't sign for the start of the season and williams can't play the first 4 games and both parties can't agree to a contract, brown is only hurting himself especially if williams comes in after 4 games and tears it up the rest of the way. brown will lose a lot this year, money and playing, if this happens, even though he will be the RB of the future...my 1 cent(i'm in canada, the exchange okay:)
 
I wonder how much more enjoyable this offseason would have been if RW had just stayed gone.
 
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