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Is Ryan Tannehill Going to Become a Franchise QB?

Here's a recent Palm Beach Post article that tries to make a case for the lack of a difference Matt Ryan would've made for the Dolphins:

PBP said:
The way to feel better about all of this is to measure Atlanta's Ryan, who developed quickly and makes a habit of running up big regular-season win totals, against the potential of Miami's Ryan, a rookie no more but still a major work in progress.

Ryan Tannehill, minus elite pass receivers, had a passer rating of 76.1 this season. Matt Ryan's rookie number was 74.0, and that was while partnered with Pro Bowl wideout Roddy White.
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Matt Ryan's rookie QB rating may have been two points lower than Tannehill's, but Matt Ryan's rookie WPA, which as the original post shows is much more predictive than rookie QB rating of future QB rating, was 3.75, compared to Tannehill's 1.36. Matt Ryan's WPA was a whole 1.8 standard deviations above the mean in the sample of rookie QBs since 2004, whereas Ryan Tannehill's was a mere 0.58 standard deviations above the mean.

And sure enough, the numbers bear that out: Matt Ryan's QB rating this year was a very good 99.1, good for 5th in the league overall.

So it may be a way to "feel better about all of this," but it's using the wrong measurement for such mood enhancement, and therefore a ruse.

http://www.palmbeachpost.com/news/s...dont-worry-too-much-about-what-matt-ry/nTwxr/
 
shouright said:
Here's a recent Palm Beach Post article that tries to make a case for the lack of a difference Matt Ryan would've made for the Dolphins:

Matt Ryan's rookie QB rating may have been two points lower than Tannehill's, but Matt Ryan's rookie WPA, which as the original post shows is much more predictive than rookie QB rating of future QB rating, was 3.75, compared to Tannehill's 1.36. Matt Ryan's WPA was a whole 1.8 standard deviations above the mean in the sample of rookie QBs since 2004, whereas Ryan Tannehill's was a mere 0.58 standard deviations above the mean.

And sure enough, the numbers bear that out: Matt Ryan's QB rating this year was a very good 99.1, good for 5th in the league overall.

So it may be a way to "feel better about all of this," but it's using the wrong measurement for such mood enhancement, and therefore a ruse.

http://www.palmbeachpost.com/news/s...dont-worry-too-much-about-what-matt-ry/nTwxr/
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Matt Ryan also had Roddy White, Mike Jenkins, Michael Tuner, and a solid OL his rookie year.
 
Valandui said:
Matt Ryan also had Roddy White, Mike Jenkins, Michael Tuner, and a solid OL his rookie year.
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True, but partialling out the variance in the correlation between rookie WPA and career QB rating associated with the rank of the rushing offense does nothing significant to the correlation between WPA and career QB rating. So the presence of Michael Turner, and at least part of the impact of the OL, very likely made no significant difference in Ryan's play as a rookie.

Now, if you want to make a solid, objective case for how wide receivers are significantly responsible for QB play, I'm all ears.
 
I'll bump this one due to the fact that Tannehill's WPA last year, even though it placed him 20th in the league overall, was predictive of the improvement we're seeing in him this year. So far this year he's ranked 3rd in the league in WPA, behind only Peyton Manning and Jay Cutler:

http://wp.advancednflstats.com/playerstats.php?pos=QB
 
Another miserable failure of a thread by Shouwrong.

Are you going for some kind of record???
 
PeterNorth said:
Say what? Pray tell what you consider a "franchise" QB to be then. I could be wrong here but it seems like you are another in a long line of people who parrot terms they don't even fully understand just to come across as knowledgeable-much like how I see everyone and their brother on this forum throw out things like "seam threat (or "seem" threat for the spelling challenged)", "take the top off of a defense", "cornfed", etc.
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I answered the question. Get over it. I consider Brady, Rodgers and Manning franchise QB's and as of now that's it. My opinion, if you don't like it don't read my post.
 
Birdmond said:
I answered the question. Get over it. I consider Brady, Rodgers and Manning franchise QB's and as of now that's it. My opinion, if you don't like it don't read my post.
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Wait....just need to clarify this. You don't consider Drew Brees a franchise QB?
 
Birdmond said:
Not anymore , no. Brady is on his way out also but I'll give him one more year. Luck might be in a year or two.
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Perfectly valid perspective. After last season, I think many would have crowned Kaepernick a franchise QB for the 49'ers, however that could now be seen as a tad premature.

A franchise player should be defined as that one player who changes the face of the unit he plays for. Tom Brady immediately changes the tone of the Patriots' offense--in other words, all the little things he does makes the players around him play better, and as a result his offense is typically elite. Dan Marino, without a doubt, was a franchise QB. Peyton Manning is unquestionably still a franchise QB in this league. I wouldn't crown every star QB as a franchise QB, though, and certainly wouldn't crown anyone from last year's QB class just yet. A franchise QB should be that guy you could plug into almost any offensive unit in the NFL, and he would immediately elevate the performance if not totally transform the offense of the team.

Having said that, choose wisely from among the NFL's star QBs who you would deem a franchise QB. He should be able to produce on almost any team.
 
Drew Brees is incredible, and at 32 he still has several years left in the tank. To say he is not a franchise QB is just staggeringly bizarre.
 
I'm but I do not yet consider Cam Newton a franchise QB...either is Bradford. He will be lucky to make it through the season. Ponder...are you ****ting me? Freeman? Sorry...one year wonder there...he sucks.
 
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