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Is Saban too prideful to admit "his guy" is working?

ckparrothead said:
I said he's coaching not to lose. Difference. Saban had nothing to do with that play call. We were in the two minute drill and were not about to use any time outs so Saban would not overturn Linehan play calls in those situations unless it was 4th down.

Not only was the play questionable from the perspective of Gus' tendencies to turn the ball over in the redzone, and our dominance over the Falcons in the run game, but with about 2:30 left in the game we had to also be thinking about running down the clock before we got the touchdown, so that the Falcons wouldn't have a chance to drive down the field after the kick return and get the game-winning field goal. I had forgotten all about that.

Anyway back to my original point, he's coaching not to lose. He's not coaching to win.
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Or perhaps coaching to "not get embarrassed" .......
 
He originally went with Gus partly because Gus had the faith of the offensive players. I would argue that he no longer does. It's time to move on.
 
ckparrothead said:
He originally went with Gus partly because Gus had the faith of the offensive players. I would argue that he no longer does. It's time to move on.
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exactly. it seems like the best arguments that were made for gus (intangibles) are no longer valid
 
If you want to know why Gus is still there, look at the QBs that Saban had at LSU. He was very successful - without a very good QB.

It's been put out many times, Gus was not truly brought here to start. But after management 'saw' what they had in Feeley - that's what we ended up with. Plain and simple.

There is not going to be musical QBs on this team. Sage is not going to start and neither is Lemon.

We have what we have at QB. It isn't pretty - but it ISN'T going to change this year. Period.

The offensive side of the ball WILL be addressed in the offseason, but it WON'T be his focus. Saban is a defense 1st type of coach - so that will always be his FOCUS. It's not like our defense plays a shut down / slap you in the face style, that's what he wants. You only need an adequate offense - and yes, I do believe that Saban believed even Gus could lead an 'adequate offense' ... now he knows he CAN'T.

Defense wins championships, just like in baseball - it's pitching. Hitting can only get you through the season. In football - you just have to look at the COLTS (Manning), DOLPHINS (Marino) and CHARGERS (Fouts) to know that offense can get you to the playoffs - but NOT WIN a championship.

You can call sticking with Gus pride, you can call him a mistake, you can call it whatever you want - but baring injury he will finish out the year.

Thankfully though, he won't the starting QB next year ..... but there isn't an Eli Manning lining up to waltz in here either. The 'best' case scenario is Drew Brees - and that is not a very likely one. I just don't believe that Saban is going to invest 5-6 mil a year for a quarterback, it doesn't fit his pattern.
 
Well, if Saban doesn't make a QB switch then I just hope he finds us a franchise QB very soon because it will be obvious that he doesn't have what it takes to find out which QB has the best chance of winning games for us.
 
Linehan is an excellent O.C. He is bright and inventive. I don't get the backlash just because his playmakers aren't making plays in crunchtime. If it was Manning throwing to Harrison the call would have worked. EVERYONE expected a run so he passed the ball. It's called not being predictable. Gus had other guys open and blew the game with the pick. He killed us dead right there but don't throw Linehan under the bus for a call that should have resulted in a touchdown. Some will respond by saying that with his average talent he should have run the ball and I sort of see that point but his boldness has worked in other cases and we don't complain when the play turns out well. As for Gus, he is the best we have, and that's too bad because he's not showing me much. I believe that Gus is not "Sabans' man" or "Linehans' man" but simply a guy who knew the system and was available. At times Gus has looked very good but those times are fewer and fewer as defenses catch on to our schemes. One huge plus is the running of Rickey and Ronnie but we have to mix in some passing. At some of the worst possible times our passing game has cost us dearly, like today. Our team is still much more fun to watch than last years product so let's focus on the good things and this offseason well find ourselves a bigtime Quarterback.
 
I think our complaint, BSQX4, is that by now Linehan should know that he doesn't have Manning and Harrison, but we do have Past, Present, and Future All-Pro running backs in Ricky Williams and Ronnie Brown...
 
When is Saban going to learn that the back up QB's are ALWAYS better than a struggling starter, and we fans know more about football than he does, because we watch the games every Sunday. :shakeno:
 
dolphan81 said:
When is he going to learn that the back up QB's are ALWAYS better than a struggling starter. And we fans know more about football than he does, because we watch the games every Sunday.
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When he learns that Dave Wannstedt was actually a quality head coach, and should never have been fired.
 
I think Gus will get hooked if he doesn't pull a miracle off against N.E next week which I think can be a winnable game if we have solid QB play.
 
PHINANALYST said:
The offensive side of the ball WILL be addressed in the offseason, but it WON'T be his focus. Saban is a defense 1st type of coach - so that will always be his FOCUS. It's not like our defense plays a shut down / slap you in the face style, that's what he wants. You only need an adequate offense - and yes, I do believe that Saban believed even Gus could lead an 'adequate offense' ... now he knows he CAN'T.

Defense wins championships, just like in baseball - it's pitching. Hitting can only get you through the season. In football - you just have to look at the COLTS (Manning), DOLPHINS (Marino) and CHARGERS (Fouts) to know that offense can get you to the playoffs - but NOT WIN a championship.
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I have to disagree. The O side primalry will be addressed in the draft imo. Saban knows that we need a QB that WONT turn the ball over. I dont care how great the D is, if were giving it back to the other team, it doesnt matter, plain and simple. I think he's getting his qb in the draft. We need to score in order to win; but I do agree that he will of course work his D into the equation in f/a because there are some preaty good players that will help this team right away there.
 
ckparrothead said:
I think our complaint, BSQX4, is that by now Linehan should know that he doesn't have Manning and Harrison, but we do have Past, Present, and Future All-Pro running backs in Ricky Williams and Ronnie Brown...
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Absolutely. If he's such an ourstanding OC how could he not see that right now our running backs are what's working...even a novice can see that, it worked the whole game so why would he make such a dumb mistake and take Ronnie out and call a pass with a few yards to go for a lst down.......That mistake cost us an overtime and possibly a win. He's getting the big bucks to make the right calls especially in that particular situation and he flunked miserably just like his adopted son Gus. And Nick better take responsibility too, its his job to know what strengths we have and use them...How long does it take an expert to see what the rest of us have seen since our running backs have started to move the ball? Enough with the excuses...We've had that for the last 5 years
 
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